hand tool startup

[Chris Knight]

I think Wiley is spot on. The old adage about "If you only have a hammer.." comes to mind. I bet if I had a big saw and an adze I'd spend my time making dugut canoes.

 

[woodbloke]

I think that both points of view are valid, Selly's opening post was, I assume, meant to be along the lines of 'I want to ge into woodwork but don't know the kind of stuff I want to make' sort of approach and I think Pete (Newt) took it a stage further when he asked about 10 tools. My response was to name my 10 tools to make a start in making fairly general sorts of projects at the bench.
Do agree tho' if the 'definite project' idea is the starting point then other sorts of tools might be needed, eg if I wanted to start to make stuff using mainly sheet material then I would include a panel saw in the list and tools aimed more at working with that sort of material and project - Rob

 

[pam niedermayer]

I think Wiley is spot on. The old adage about "If you only have a hammer.." comes to mind. I bet if I had a big saw and an adze I'd spend my time making dugut canoes.

Since "old adage" is redundant, I assume you have at least two hammers.

Pam

 

[pam niedermayer]

Pam,

Just to clarify. I know it's possible to do something--maybe a lot--with 10 tools. But I notice none of us are scuffling along with 10 tools. That's why I don't recommend it to Selly--it's not what I do, and it's not how I would get started if I were getting started again. I'd get started by having a goal, or a project, and getting the right tools for that job. Then repeat.

I agree that the '10 tool approach' is valid; I just don't subscribe to it.

Wiley

Wiley, that's why I said I agree with you in principle, but in practise I know from personal experience that I could do an amazing amount of work with a very small toolkit.

As far as what I preach, depends on the questioner. Some prefer to make do, spend no money, make great stuff. Some prefer to have a special tool for everything. Probably a money thing. When I'm rich, I tell myself why not get that whoopiedo plane that I could do without. When I'm poor, I start selling all those whoopiedo extravagancies and indulgences. Most people are much better at money management.

Pam

Pam

 

[Chris Knight]

Pam,

Not redundant - merely tautologous..


I do have more than two hammers actually which causes me to wonder how many one really needs for woodworking (putting aside fencing mauls and the like). I think I use about four, including one I use exclusively for adjusting planes.

 

[pam niedermayer]

Pam,

Not redundant - merely tautologous..

The first definition for tautologous is: involving or containing rhetorical tautology (which is the use of redundant language that adds no information) : redundant. Since adage is defined as a saying that has gained credibility through long use, I'm going to stick with redundant.

This is a primary pet peeve and has been for 30 years or more. I have to admit though that "old adage" has a nice ring to it, which I suppose is why people persist in using the phrase.

Pam

 

[dchenard]

Pam,

Not redundant - merely tautologous..

The first definition for tautologous is: involving or containing rhetorical tautology (which is the use of redundant language that adds no information) : redundant. Since adage is defined as a saying that has gained credibility through long use, I'm going to stick with redundant.

This is a primary pet peeve and has been for 30 years or more. I have to admit though that "old adage" has a nice ring to it, which I suppose is why people persist in using the phrase.

Pam

I think it should be pleonasm:

ple·o·nasm (plē'ə-năz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. The use of more words than are required to express an idea; redundancy.
2. An instance of pleonasm.
2. A superfluous word or phrase.

[Late Latin pleonasmus, from Greek pleonasmos, from pleonazein, to be excessive, from pleōn, more.]

DC

 

[Chris Knight]

I'll get my hat.. :lol:

 

[Escudo]

Hello Selly,

I agree with your comment

I am looking for good quality, pleasant to use effective tools that will be well used and last.

I started my hand tool purchases with

Low angle Jack (Veritas). Easy to set up and very versatile.
LN 102 small bronze block plane. Very handy little plane.
LN Bevel edge socket chisel set.

I also purchased some sharpening stones.

I have since added a veritas shoulder plane and edge plane. I also acquired a Tite-Mark marking gauge.

I have managed with a couple of cheap hardpoint disposable saws in conjunction with my bandsaw and chop saw up to now but I intend to upgrade my saw department next.

I am mulling over a carcass type saw in the hope this will act as a sort of dual purpose small tenon / dovetail saw in one. Hope that makes sense.

Hope my comments are useful. Cheers, Esc.

 

[pam niedermayer]

...I think it should be pleonasm:

ple·o·nasm (plē'ə-năz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. The use of more words than are required to express an idea; redundancy.
2. An instance of pleonasm.
2. A superfluous word or phrase.

[Late Latin pleonasmus, from Greek pleonasmos, from pleonazein, to be excessive, from pleōn, more.]

DC

Don't know. Why do you guys insist on providing alternative descriptions that include redundancy in their definitions?

Pam

 

[dchenard]

Don't know. Why do you guys insist on providing alternative descriptions that include redundancy in their definitions?

Pam

It's not a "guy" thing, I take that as a sexist comment :? :x :evil: :roll: :wink:

Redundancy can be applied to many things outside the "use of language" issues. Pleonasm can't...

DC

 

[pam niedermayer]

But since my original use was supposed to be a funny comment on how many hammers Chris (Waterhead37) was likely to have based on a language redundancy, the use of redundant was not only appropriate but perfect.

Since Alf hasn't gotten in on this, it does seem to be a guy thing.

Pam