Guards on chucks

[MMUK]

In the same way some children don't know that milk comes from cows,

But it comes from the Milk Man. Why else would he be called the Milk Man? :lol:

 

[ericdockum]

Or in some cases the children from the milk man :wink:

 

[Grahamshed]

Interesting comment on the big bang. I have been thinking recently about our high streets and empty shops. Also some of the small workshops that have been built in recent years.

Perhaps it would be good for society if some of the empty town centre shops were used a workshops, where passers by, and especially children and young people, could see things actually being made. In the same way some children don't know that milk comes from cows, many don't realise that people make things, and that they don't all magically appear floating down a major Brazilian river. :wink:

Suppose a shop window the typical workshop set up in it, with someone working daily actually making things in front of the public, in the town centre. Perhaps several about the place, a turnery, potter, jewellery anything you like. They could actually sell product and specialist equipment as wall, but the idea would be that the front of the shop would be a visible workshop.

Unfortunately these sort of small workshops are either in some sort of olde tyme experience museum, or in a set of small workshops buried on an industrial estate.

In the same way some charity shops operate rent/rates free, could not this be done to stimulate the town centres? They could move on if a full rent paying business wanted the place.

Could be a daft idea of course, wouldn't be the first time. But it might educate the many.

any comments?

Don't know if its a daft idea or not but I like it.
Having said that I think the only way it could work is if it came under the umbrella of a charity, if only so it could reap the rent / rates benefits you referred to.
Lots of hard work there but doable.

 

[tony]

Thanks to all for your replies , I think this will be an ongoing saga & I will keep you informed , at the moment the lathes have been locked off !!!

 

[duncanh]

What is the guard supposed to stop? A chuck key left in place by mistake, the mounting slides? The mounting slides are likely stopped from sliding out by a grub screw and as they are all linked a single screw will stop them. If it's to stop the chuck key then I suppose it could happen but most keys I have fall out of their own accord when not supported by the user's hand.

Perhaps the H&S inspector could point you in the direction of a guard designed for use on a wood lathe. Get the exact piece of legislation which states that you need one.

It could be possible to use a guard designed for a metal lathe but it shouldn't be needed and surely isn't required. The recent video of the oval turning which someone posted had a chuck guard on it but that's not exactly a standard piece of kit.

 

[YewTube]

H&S decisions are made by doing risk assessments and not on a whim. There is a guard over the pulley system because it is very easy to get something trapped between the pulley and belt combined with there being no requirement to access it between speed changes. This is a assessment made on risk and access - a combination of both.

He should make the same assessment on the chuck and anything in the chuck which is going round with the chuck. This is effectively deciding whether the lathe is a safe piece of machinery. He is either well ahead of the game or out there by himself.

Let reason rule.

Bill

 

[tony]

When i asked him what the guard was for , he leant his shoulder into the lathe where the chuck would be & said its in case anyone does this !!! But i can assure him i have no intention of doing that !

 

[YewTube]

When i asked him what the guard was for , he leant his shoulder into the lathe where the chuck would be & said its in case anyone does this !!! But i can assure him i have no intention of doing that !

So you put something in the guarded chuck, which could be square, and what then - put a guard round it!

Citing a possible but unlikely event is not doing a risk assessment, it is making stuff up. What is the chance of it happening, what is the consequence (check statistics if need be). Write a procedure to minimise the perceived risk.

Bill

 

[Tazmaniandevil]

And..... someone could easily catch a finger in the hole where the chuck key goes, or fall face first into the lathe in motion, or or or or........

Let's just switch the world off and go home.

There has to come a time when we all just say enough is enough and make folk take responsibility for themselves. If a person has been properly trained in the use of a machine, and understand the associated risks, then allow us rational adults to apply common sense and make our own decisions.
People put far too much emphasis on HSE because companies are afraid of being sued. I was always under the impression that the purpose of a risk assessment was to identify possible dangers and take reasonable steps to minimise these dangers. One way to minimise the danger is to train people properly.