Framed ledge and brace external door with domino?

[adzeman]

wood expanding as the glue swelled

Good point I did not think of that. That is a selling point regarding Gorrilla Glue that it expands and cures in wet conditions. In fact you do wet one peice prior to cramping. I dont think there was insufficiant cramping I will search my pic files and see if I have one when in the cramps.

Nicks point is vallied also. Went out and braved the cold again and took pics of the other joints and they show movement but the joints still hold. The pics also reminded me I pegged the boards as well it looks like they have held no sign of any movement there indicating the panel has expanded in all four directions as one . My opinion is the joint failed because that joint was locked with the glue. The joint was not that bad not as good as the others it was worth I think a 7 ounitut of 10. There must have been a hell of a pressure though because it was OK still we got the firs rain and then bang. (no it didnt go bang figure of speech)

 

[Rob Platt]

your matchboard has expanded more than your top rails could cope with
all the best
rob

 

[RogerBoyle]

your matchboard has expanded more than your top rails could cope with
all the best
rob

LOL as well as the glue expanding out
Is it possible that you didnt allow for enough movement with the boarding as well as looking at the photos as all the joints seem to be suffering
its very easy to do this

 

[Oryxdesign]

As Rob and Roger say.

Can you find the photo of the one that was glued with epoxy, I'm interested to see it.

 

[ColeyS1]

Doesn't look like you allowed much for a haunch- might be just the picture though

 

[adzeman]

Hi Simon its seems an age to when we last met. with all this snow we have got down here inSussex has given me time to search my CD's of pictures. I cant find any of the particular joint in question when you do a bad joint or lets say one not as good as the others you dont tend to push it forward as an example of your work. If I was making it for someone other than my self I would have re-made it. I have made a number of gates since this F.L.B. door and no problems. I am conviced it went belly up because I glued it and on reflection because I used Gorilla glue. In the search for pics the only one that came up is one I took after sanding.

The other corner is as sound as a bell. I have never known a dowel shearing off before.

I hope this does not put ajmoore off having a go at making a door.

Cheers

 

[Oryxdesign]

I think it was an age Mike, you're always welcome here though.

Just to make sure that we are not talking crossed purposes, Gorilla glue is a completely different type of glue to the epoxy I referred to. Gorilla is a polyurethane and not an epoxy, I don't really get on with PU's although some swear by them.

The reason I was interested was because Wests epoxy isn't really UV proof, there are some that are apparently but I haven't used them yet. I was interested to see if the sunlight had got to the glue and caused the failure.

 

[adzeman]

It was definately Gorilla glue sorry I could not be more help.

Cheers

 

[Oryxdesign]

The one structural thing I've glued with Gorilla failed also. I haven't had a failure with Wests but you need to allow a day for it to go off.

 

[Racers]

Hi,

I did a pair of gates with mortise and tenons doweled with oak pegs and Gorilla glue, then clad in rough sawn timber, and they haven’t moved at all, which is lucky as they were for my next door neighbour.

Pete