FOR SALE: LN saws(SOLD)...and WH replacements

[ByronBlack]

Hi Rob,

Just read your blog post - somehow I knew you were going to go the dozuki route.

Although, a word of warning - the WH dozuki's aren't as good as the Sun Child (In my humble opinion). I still like it, and have got good resutls with it in my recent dovetail experiement, however the Sun Child is a bit smaller, and has finer teeth making it a bit smoother. I find the WH dozuki a little more bullish in the cut, and it takes a little more care to get the cut started.

The finish left by the sun child is also a tad cleaner.

Either way, I don't think you'll be dissapointed as they are nice saws, the Sun Child just seems to be a little more refined and controllable.

 

[woodbloke]

Hi Rob,

Just read your blog post - somehow I knew you were going to go the dozuki route.

Although, a word of warning - the WH dozuki's aren't as good as the Sun Child (In my humble opinion). I still like it, and have got good resutls with it in my recent dovetail experiement, however the Sun Child is a bit smaller, and has finer teeth making it a bit smoother. I find the WH dozuki a little more bullish in the cut, and it takes a little more care to get the cut started.

The finish left by the sun child is also a tad cleaner.

Either way, I don't think you'll be dissapointed as they are nice saws, the Sun Child just seems to be a little more refined and controllable.

BB - glad somebody reads it! :lol:

I had an interesting conversation with Matthew on that very topic. The tatebiki is an updated version of the Sun Child (apparently) and both have the same number of tpi (at least the last time I looked). According to Matthew, as I understand it, the differences are so minimal as to be insignificant. I'm very happy to be proved wrong as this is a new area for me...I expect that when Matthew has a gander here he'll make a comment - Rob

 

[ByronBlack]

Hi Rob,

Just read your blog post - somehow I knew you were going to go the dozuki route.

Although, a word of warning - the WH dozuki's aren't as good as the Sun Child (In my humble opinion). I still like it, and have got good resutls with it in my recent dovetail experiement, however the Sun Child is a bit smaller, and has finer teeth making it a bit smoother. I find the WH dozuki a little more bullish in the cut, and it takes a little more care to get the cut started.

The finish left by the sun child is also a tad cleaner.

Either way, I don't think you'll be dissapointed as they are nice saws, the Sun Child just seems to be a little more refined and controllable.

BB - glad somebody reads it! :lol:

I had an interesting conversation with Matthew on that very topic. The tatebiki is an updated version of the Sun Child (apparently) and both have the same number of tpi (at least the last time I looked). According to Matthew, as I understand it, the differences are so minimal as to be insignificant. I'm very happy to be proved wrong as this is a new area for me...I expect that when Matthew has a gander here he'll make a comment - Rob

To clarify my experience, I used the sun child about 3 years ago, so not sure if they are different now, but i'm certain there was more tpi on the sun-child, or if not then the teeth may have been slightly different as I do feel the WH is a little coarser - but as I say, I have got great results with it so far and wouldn't trade it in for the small difference of the sun child. I'll look forward to your findings with it.

 

[woodbloke]

I'm sure Matthew won't mind, and I apologize in advance if I'm treading on any corns but this is the gist of the PM from the other day:

"In practical terms there is no difference between a sun child and a tatebiki. the tatebiki was produced in response to customer demand for a rip tooth dozuki, the sun child was their first fine toothed dozuki and has a bit of fleam whereas the tatebiki doesn't"

...which I hope will clear up the differences 'twixt the two variants - Rob

 

[ByronBlack]

I'm sure Matthew won't mind, and I apologize in advance if I'm treading on any corns but this is the gist of the PM from the other day:

"In practical terms there is no difference between a sun child and a tatebiki. the tatebiki was produced in response to customer demand for a rip tooth dozuki, the sun child was their first fine toothed dozuki and has a bit of fleam whereas the tatebiki doesn't"

...which I hope will clear up the differences 'twixt the two variants - Rob

Thats interesting, so I wonder if the fleam is responsible for making it a bit smoother? I don't know enough about saw technicalities to know if that is the case

 

[AndyT]

Rob - help is at hand - there's no need to worry about all those hard to understand variations, and after flogging off your other tools you'll be left with some handy cash for your retirement fund - all you need is here:

:lol:

 

[Harbo]

I have some from WH and a Sun Child. It was discussed a while back
https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/post481072.html?highlight=#481072

(Rob - I have a set of Blue Steel Matsumura chisels but not the dovetail types - great chisels! Also Zonas arrived today - fantastic!)

Rod

 

[woodbloke]

(Rob - I have a set of Blue Steel Matsumura chisels but not the dovetail types - great chisels! Also Zonas arrived today - fantastic!)

Rod

...and I've just sent back to Germany (Deiter Schmid) a set of Mr Matsumara's dovetail chisels. Nice chisels, but the side grinding was way too coarse...shame - Rob

 

[Mike.C]

Rob - help is at hand - there's no need to worry about all those hard to understand variations, and after flogging off your other tools you'll be left with some handy cash for your retirement fund - all you need is here:

:lol:

Andy if I could get hold of you now.

Here's me thinking I'll wind Rob up, and so I copy the above, sneek quietly under cover of dark to the hand tool section, and am just above to leave my message when what do I see but your bleeding post :twisted:

Cheers

Mike :lol:

 

[AndyT]

Great minds think alike!

 

[Racers]

Hi,

Fools seldom differ :wink:

Pete

 

[Harbo]

Sorry to hear that Rob.

Here's a photo of my ones when straight out of the "packet" and untouched:-

Bought in the States and I've had no problems with them.


Rod

 

[woodbloke]

Here's me thinking I'll wind Rob up...
Cheers

Mike :lol:

Not doable I'm afeared Mike...valiant attempts have been made in the past and all have fallen on stony ground :lol: - Rob

 

[jimi43]

I really love my little Axminster Japanese saw....



I like the adjustable depth feature...it works really well. Bit tacky screw clamps but the plastic ones can be changed if that is what rocks yer boat.

Also my little paring chisels are still the ones I reach for first....I just need MORE! MORE I tell ya!



Jim

 

[newt]

I do like a little bit of fleam dont you.

 

[Karl]

(Rob - I have a set of Blue Steel Matsumura chisels but not the dovetail types - great chisels! Also Zonas arrived today - fantastic!)

Rod

...and I've just sent back to Germany (Deiter Schmid) a set of Mr Matsumara's dovetail chisels. Nice chisels, but the side grinding was way too coarse...shame - Rob

Rob

Have you decided what you are going to replace them with yet?

Cheers

Karl

 

[woodbloke]

Rob

Have you decided what you are going to replace them with yet?

Cheers

Karl

Expecting the package from Matthew this very morning Karl :wink:...clues on the Blog though :lol: - Rob

 

[eoinsgaff]

Rob,

dovetail saw received today. In excellent condition so thank you very much. And the added bonus of original box and leaflet. I'm very happy. A mid year christmas.

Looking forward to trying it out - sometime in the next year or so!!!

Eoin

Oh, I appreciated the extra effort with the rust inhibitor paper. Excellent.

 

[woodbloke]

Rob,

dovetail saw received today. In excellent condition so thank you very much. And the added bonus of original box and leaflet. I'm very happy. A mid year christmas.

Looking forward to trying it out - sometime in the next year or so!!!

Eoin

Oh, I appreciated the extra effort with the rust inhibitor paper. Excellent.

Happy to oblige. I always keep all the packing materials and manufacturer's info for my tools in case they get passed on. The saw has only been sharpened once by me but not set - Rob

 

[bugbear]

Rob

Have you decided what you are going to replace them with yet?

Cheers

Karl

Expecting the package from Matthew this very morning Karl :wink:...clues on the Blog though :lol: - Rob

Whilst reading your blog, I saw your planing photo:

http://woodbloker.blogspot.com/2010/05/kingdom.html

You might find this (Robert Wearing) gadget helpful - it's a stick glued and screwed to a board (tricky!)
Note that the stick is just the right thickness to line up with the vise jaws.

Clamped on the bench ready for use.

Board held, ready for planing. Other end is in the face vise.

Two bits of scrap, two clamps, job done.

BugBear

P.S. you may have noticed in the "in use" shot that the fix-it-to-the-bench clamp should be the other way up to avoid the handle getting in the way of planing. This is because I did the photos in a hurry just for the web, and wasn't actually using the gadget "in anger" at the time.