For all the little snowflakes

[lurker]

There was an article on the BBC website this morning about folks (mostly 20-30 year old metros) having anxiety attacks over the referendum result and now Trump.

There was list of things you could do you alleviate the resultant stress
But his final words made me laugh

"But what's going to solve it is truly grasping you're making a big mistake in having really believed that you know what's best."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37921356

 

[Terry - Somerset]

I voted remain and think Trump was profoundly the wrong choice.

But what I value is democracy. To paraphrase Voltaire - "I don't agree with the choices you made, but defend your right to make them".

The result is the failure of the Clinton and Remain camps to communicate their message convincingly. We should be worrying about a solution to ensure better informed choices are made in the future, rather than agonising over what has happened.

 

[No skills]

******* hilarious.

Thanks for the link

 

[timbo614]

I voted leave and it was entirely predicatable that Trump would win.

Democracy in action The result is because people who have lost their livelyhoods to globalisation want change. They want to change back to something else, probably not going to happen until the focus of the planetary leaders (AKA the elite) changes from money to people.

 

[Robbo3]

To paraphrase Voltaire - "I don't agree with the choices you made, but defend your right to make them".

I think the correct attribution is to SG Tallentyre - The Friends of Voltaire (1907) according to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

 

[AJB Temple]

It is surely amusing (or maybe confusing) that people who voted leave (Brexit) because they have lost their livelihoods, voted for people like Farage (loudmouth stockbroker), Boris (old Etonian) and Gove. What did they think was going to happen? Where were the policies? What was the plan?

And redneck America has voted for a 70 year old Billionaire narcissist who has followed a path of total self interest from his inherited wealth beginnings. I admit the choices facing them were not optimal.

 

[Woody2Shoes]

For me there were two basic similarities between Brexit and the Post-Obama-Drama:

1) The amount of lying that went on - on both sides - and the extent to which large parts of the electorate now look to internet memes (created by the Russians/Martians/etc. of course) on social media as their main source of information about anything. We have got to the point where lies and truth are indistinguishable for many, and people seem to no longer care about this in the internet age.

2) Both sets of electors were presented with a - basically - binary choice between two extremely undesirable options. They were being asked the wrong question, and the most sensible way to vote in both cases was "neither of the above thank you".

Cheers, W2S

 

[Lons]

It is surely amusing (or maybe confusing) that people who voted leave (Brexit) because they have lost their livelihoods, voted for people like Farage (loudmouth stockbroker), Boris (old Etonian) and Gove. What did they think was going to happen? Where were the policies? What was the plan?

And redneck America has voted for a 70 year old Billionaire narcissist who has followed a path of total self interest from his inherited wealth beginnings. I admit the choices facing them were not optimal.

+1......... and I'd add very sad to amusing / confusing.

I'm a strong believer in democracy but the trouble with that is that it allows millions of voters to stick a X in a box when they have neither the will, ability or perhaps the intelligence to see further ahead than today and maybe how much a packet of **** has cost them. These are the same voters now screaming 'cos prices are spiralling

and..... compared to parts of the USA our citizens are bl**dy geniuses!

 

[lurker]

Lons, AJB,

So by implication those of us who voted to leave the EU are all bit dim and did not think straight.

By the way, I voted to join the EEC all those years ago and given the chance would do so again.

 

[Lons]

Lons, AJB,

So by implication those of us who voted to leave the EU are all bit dim and did not think straight.

By the way, I voted to join the EEC all those years ago and given the chance would do so again.

Absolutely not at all! I'm sure you looked at the whole argument before making your decision, unfortunately not everyone does.

I very definitely did not want to be in the EU which is corrupt and broken, certainly a very different animal to the EEC.which we allowed ourselves to slip into in the early 90s and we should have left many years ago so unfortunately are now going to pay the price at least medium term.

Democracy means we all have the right to decide and vote for what we believe but my point is that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who are incapable or don't care enough to weigh up the pros and cons and come to informed decisions. Many of those I come into contact with fall into exactly that category and when you're told " I voted leave so Cameron would quit " and this from people who can't even tell you what the currency of the EU is never mind which countries are members and how it affects us rather puts things into perspective.

I come from a family where it was almost treason to vote anything but Labour and if you did otherwise you certainly would't broadcast it. Brainwashed or brain dead maybe is the problem. There are a couple of north east MPs who have been voted in on that principle, repeated all over the country for different parties. Both these Mps are basically crooks and known as " the local mafia ". No reasonably intelligent voter would have crossed their "X" box!

I voted stay but really wanted to leave and I changed my mind several times over the months as we are all entitled to do in a democratic society.
cheers

Bob

 

[Inoffthered]

The mainstream media should take a long look at their bias and twisted reporting.
That a journalist (Monisha Rajesh) from the Guardian should tweet "its time for a presidential assassination" is truly appalling and shows that it is the so called liberal left that are the true fascists. The fact that she has now deleted her twitter account also speaks volumes. Imagine the outcry on the BBC if Farage or anyone from UKIP had come out with that!

The other interesting factor which shows the utter hypocrisy of the MSM is the current theme that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote (by 230,000 votes) as if that was sufficient cause to challenge the result of the presidential election. The same media channels however seem quite happy to ignore the 1.3m majority that voted leave and have not stopped trying to undermine that democratic vote.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

There are two ways to ensure that people are sufficiently informed that when the X goes in the box it is done so on a largely rational and complete understanding of what they are voting for.

Better education - probably a PPE (politics, philosophy and economics) lite course for age 14 + to ensure all voting adults have a basic grasp of money, morality, critical thinking and political process.

The second alternative would be to restrict the vote to only those who pass the exam at the end.

The former relies upon trainee adults to have the intellectual skills to absorb what is being taught. Sadly the normal spectrum of natural ability covers the very bright to fairly thick. This is not intended to be offensive - just reality.

The latter would leave a large part of society excluded from the democratic process with obvious implications for civil harmony.

And both these alternatives assume that an emotionally or intuitively driven vote is somehow wrong. In reality election losers should not complain - simply try to do better next time.

 

[RogerS]

I'm waiting for the Holy Trinity. So far two have come to pass...

1) Brexit

2) Trump

Just waiting for Ed Balls to win Strictly

 

[MarkDennehy]

I'm waiting for the Holy Trinity. So far two have come to pass...
1) Brexit
2) Trump
Just waiting for Ed Balls to win Strictly

3) Is actually Le Pen being elected to president of France.


And to be all con-tra-ver-sial and such, if you start talking about democracy, well, it's fuzzier than it looks:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 13596.html
TL;DR version, it seems Clinton got more votes than any presidential candidate in history other than Obama, far more than Trump did. As Trump said a while ago, the electoral college is "a disaster for democracy"...

...oh, and it's not actually illegal for the electors in the electoral college to ignore the vote from Tuesday and vote however they want on Dec19. It's only rare for that to happen, not impossible...

 

[Wildman]

"But what's going to solve it is truly grasping you're making a big mistake in having really believed that you know what's best."

how very patronising and typical BBC

 

[Inoffthered]

Can you imagine the outcry from the BBC if Nigel Farage or any brexiteer had made such disparaging comments?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nough.html

What's the betting that the Beeb will avoid giving this story any publicity at all.

 

[MIGNAL]

I voted leave and it was entirely predicatable that Trump would win.

Democracy in action The result is because people who have lost their livelyhoods to globalisation want change. They want to change back to something else, probably not going to happen until the focus of the planetary leaders (AKA the elite) changes from money to people.

We will find out what democracy is all about with Trump. He has to deliver. All politicians make certain promises. It seems to me that Trump has made some fairly outrageous ones, some that most pundits doubt that he can deliver on.
If he doesn't build the wall, if he doesn't lock her up, if he doesn't impose the high % tariffs, if he doesn't make America great again - you can say goodbye to your democracy. It's a crock of sht. It simply means that anyone can make a myriad of promises and have absolutely no intention of carrying them out.

 

[MarkDennehy]

It's the Daily Mail, so my second question is "did he actually say that though, or are they just making things up again, the way they do on days with a y in them". I'm not saying he didn't say it, just that when the only places you see a quote are the Daily Mail, Stormfront and DavidIcke.com, you probably ought to double-check it to be sure...

 

[Inoffthered]

It's the Daily Mail, so my second question is "did he actually say that though, or are they just making things up again, the way they do on days with a y in them". I'm not saying he didn't say it, just that when the only places you see a quote are the Daily Mail, Stormfront and DavidIcke.com, you probably ought to double-check it to be sure...

Yes he did actually say it. Peter Lilley MP was in the audience and he has condemned the remarks as being akin to hate speech.
The BBC wont touch it (obviously) but it was covered by LBC this morning.

I appreciate your scepticism but it is now also being reported in the DT.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... ritons-ar/

Good to know the contempt with which these unelected tosspots view the public.

 

[RogerS]

I voted leave and it was entirely predicatable that Trump would win.

Democracy in action The result is because people who have lost their livelyhoods to globalisation want change. They want to change back to something else, probably not going to happen until the focus of the planetary leaders (AKA the elite) changes from money to people.

Ah, the mythical 'elite'. Fascinating how us humans always need a bogeyman to demonise. True, there are people in the world who have obscene amounts of wealth but they are not the ones who are running things. Most companies are run by boards of directors answerable to share-holders who in many instances are your pension fund and my pension fund. Even if all the wealth of all the richest people in the world was divvied up between all the rest of humanity, I'm not sure what I'd do with by 26p.

I'm also curious by the term 'planetary leaders'. Is this the Mekon ?