First Hollow Forms

[RogerB]

Hi all

I am concious that my input on this thread has hijacked the subject it was initially started for which was for RogerB to show his hollow forms.

My apologies Roger. I will continue this by starting another thread.

so will answer you there Pete.

Mark

No need for the apology Mark I have found this most informative as I am self employed 20 + years now Bespoke Bathrooms and Kitchen mainly but almost anything else if I feel I can.

I found to start, that selling myself came hard but as you progress and gain self confidence it becomes easier. But it isn't every bodys cup of tea.

As you said you have got to have that drive and determination to succeed.


Regards Roger

 

[big soft moose]

Soulfly has put down people's work in 98% of all his posts since he joined. He never responds to question directly put to him and he never posts his work. Which is why I now resort to just insulting him back at every opportunity. .

tom - the reason he never posts his work is because he doesnt have any given that he thinks the best way to dry green wood is to strip all the bark off to encourage it to dry as quickly as possible :roll: , I think it is fair to say that he is not in fact any sort of wood turner. I really think the powers that be ought to ban this moron

Mark - unlike the'fly you are an inspiration - you can "waffle" on as much as you like as far as i'm concerned , its always good to hear the thoughts of those whove been there, done that and have the work to prove it.

 

[mark sanger]

Soulfly has put down people's work in 98% of all his posts since he joined. He never responds to question directly put to him and he never posts his work. Which is why I now resort to just insulting him back at every opportunity. .

tom - the reason he never posts his work is because he doesnt have any given that he thinks the best way to dry green wood is to strip all the bark off to encourage it to dry as quickly as possible :roll: , I think it is fair to say that he is not in fact any sort of wood turner. I really think the powers that be ought to ban this moron

Mark - unlike the'fly you are an inspiration - you can "waffle" on as much as you like as far as i'm concerned , its always good to hear the thoughts of those whove been there, done that and have the work to prove it.

big soft moose

Thank you.

I do find it hard to understand why some people try their best to undermine others but I guess it is human nature. As they say no one kicks a dead dog.

Thanks again. I would love to say that I have all the answers but like all of us I have lots to learn but just like to help out if I can .

Take care

Mark

 

[Jenx]

:wink: I think we all struggle to understand that fella, Mark...
Its certainly a little 'off the wall and out there' by most people's measure.

As the Moose and others say.... your stuff, and from the other top guys, speaks for itself.
Its beautiful. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[mark sanger]

:wink: I think we all struggle to understand that fella, Mark...
Its certainly a little 'off the wall and out there' by most people's measure.

As the Moose and others say.... your stuff, and from the other top guys, speaks for itself.
Its beautiful. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Thanks a lot Jenx

I am hoping to post some more work soon but am a bit busy at the moment trying to get items finished for re stocking and as usual things never go to plan, especially when I am behind.

M

 

[big soft moose]

Trust me if someone copied my work tried selling it as theirs I would not be so charitable.

I think its basically about respect - I've been trying to emulate mark hancock's swirly vase things (without a lot of success) for as long as ive been turning , but even if i could succesfully do them I'd only do one for personal pleasure and to demonstrate to myself that i could - It would be a cold day in hell before i tried to shoe horn into his market.

I totally respect that if i'm ever going to make myself a name turner (flying pigs etc) like mark (and you) It needs to be with a style that is my own - not a pale imitation of someone elses work.

Likewise this http://www.marksanger.co.uk/mark_sanger ... isdom.html is beautiful and something i'd take some inspiration from - but it would definitely be inspiration not imitation. Incidentally is that ball fixed as part of the bowl or is it jus sitting in it ?

 

[Bodrighy]

I also emulate certain turners and I don't think that many turners mind. The point is when a design is copied and sold as original. I too would love to be able to not so much do what the 2 Marks and otherd do but think of the ideas. All the turning skill in the world won't substitue for being able to think up a certain style. I love Cindy Drozda's work but though lots of others do the same sort of thing there is a definite difference, not necessarily in quality but in style etc. Often a little thing that becomes a trade mark. Something I may aim for whilst remaining individually 'my work'

Pete

 

[Anonymous]

Is 'emulation' the new form of 'sincerest flattery'?

To give one perspective:

IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY - "Usually said ironically when someone tries to gain attention by copying someone else's original ideas. Coined by Charles Caleb Colton in 1820 in his 'Lacon.' First attested in the United States in 'Malice' (1940) by E. Cameron. The adage is found in varying forms." From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996).
(courtesy of http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_boar ... s/203.html)

When does 'inspired by' become plagiarism?

another source to factor into your thinking:
http://www.plagiarism.org/learning_cent ... arism.html

and to add a little specificity: What is Plagiarism

Many people think of plagiarism as copying another's work, or borrowing someone else's original ideas. But terms like "copying" and "borrowing" can disguise the seriousness of the offense:
NB I haven't bothered to translate from the original American :wink:

I'm so glad that we don't have any rip-off characters on this forum

Be inspired, emulate to your heart's content and if perchance you copy another's work have the decency to acknowledge it.....

 

[Bodrighy]

Back on form Graham :lol:

Just to make the point you inspired me to try to miniatures. Watching you do them so quickly and easily made me want to do them. That is emulation. Sadly I have yet to achievve your skill level as I have also to achieve Chas's technical quality or either Mark's originality but each of you starts a journey for me along which I hope to find my own style and originality (if there truly is such a thing. For me perhaps making something out of wood that others throw away and my so called 'rustic pieces' are some kind of trade mark though I have seen others doing it and doing it better.

Emulation is defined as follows

1obsolete : ambitious or envious rivalry :twisted:
2: ambition or endeavor to equal or excel others (as in achievement) \/

I hope not to be obsolete, perhaps I am too late

I console myself in remembering that you have all been turning for a good number of years, I for a mere two.

Good to hear from you again. Missed our little diatribes and double entendres

Pete

 

[Anonymous]

Nuff with the self deprecation ...

Pete you've already established a Bodrighy identity and presence ...and in turn, inspired others! Add to that the joy of seeing something a little different on here and I have to say, you're doing alright me old chukkabutty :wink:

Roger
Is it not time we saw the latest hollow forms from you?

 

[mark sanger]

Trust me if someone copied my work tried selling it as theirs I would not be so charitable.

I think its basically about respect - I've been trying to emulate mark hancock's swirly vase things (without a lot of success) for as long as ive been turning , but even if i could succesfully do them I'd only do one for personal pleasure and to demonstrate to myself that i could - It would be a cold day in hell before i tried to shoe horn into his market.

I totally respect that if i'm ever going to make myself a name turner (flying pigs etc) like mark (and you) It needs to be with a style that is my own - not a pale imitation of someone elses work.

Likewise this http://www.marksanger.co.uk/mark_sanger ... isdom.html is beautiful and something i'd take some inspiration from - but it would definitely be inspiration not imitation. Incidentally is that ball fixed as part of the bowl or is it jus sitting in it ?

Hi

I had written a lengthy response to this and just as I went to send my internet connection went down and that was several hours ago. At least when I ruin a piece I just get grazed knuckles and I know how to sort it, flaming computers :x

I am with Roger about emulation being flattery.

I too when I started looked every where for inspiration and still do. It is important to me to keep up with what is going on within current trends, say within interiors.

I use to try to emulate the finials of Cindy Drozda but was never happy as I always returned to what I liked doing and what made me happy which was making simple forms. I found that unless I was making what " I really wanted to make" then my work seem superficial in it's appearance and the connection I had with it.

Once I stopped trying to find my " signature" type work I found that things just evolved slowly and all of a sudden I ended up with something that I was happy with and felt was individual.

It is very difficult as everything that we see has probably been made in some variation at some time through history, especially if we go back through Chinese ceramics and similar which have thousands of years of heritage.

What for me is the most important point within work is that I truly believe that what a person makes should be what makes them happy and what comes from within.

Basically the essence of who they are as a person. For this to happen I need to connect deeply with my work but can not do this all of the time. Reality dictates that I have to make lots of bowls, platters candle holders and other utility items that people buy regularly. This though allows me time to let an idea evolve and develop in my mind until it comes out. And I also input some of these into my regular work. Such as a arbotech carved rim platter.

I am glad you like the "Unmovable Wisdom" piece which itself evolved from my thoughts and feelings.

The black bowl represents the mind. The circle cut out represents a pure thought of calm and depth. The curved cut out represents a conflicting thought full of energy. The sphere represents a centred mind/thought of wisdom which is not being distracted by what is happening around it.

The idea came originally from a interest in Zen and how people meditate and various related ideas coupled with my own life on the tread mill before I gave it all up.

Yep it's deep but I like my turning ( when I do the artistic work) to be a form of mechanism for a way in which I can express my thoughts as opposed to being the end in itself. I just chose turning to be my hobby years ago and did not know at that time where it would go.

Before I forget the ball is not fixed but does have a flat base of around 15mm. I did this as it is important that the ball stays in the middle and if it was out onto a sideboard that was not level it may move.


The way I sometimes like to work is this, and may be you could try it as it is a good way of getting ideas.

I think of a situation or subject that I want to explore. IE with my wall hangings I thought of a child and parent "Nurture"

I then try drew my thoughts about this as quickly as I could so that it was spontaneous and not restricted. I want to put my thoughts into a descriptive medium say a wall hanging, or as in "Natures Bounty" which I think I also posted.

Once I am happy I evolve this into my turning. It some times does not work but some times does.

When I am turning the piece I will also change it at any point that another idea comes into my head. This way the work is free and truly the essence of who we are.

There is nothing wrong with taking inspiration from another's work and evolving it into your own interpretation and idea as long as in my view the work is credited.

But you soon find that this does not give true satisfaction and your own style evolves ( as long as in my opinion we become connected to what we do) otherwise we are just making items and not creating.

There I go again.


Thank you

Mark

 

[boysie39]

Is it possible to write and not be able to read????

The reason I ask is that there is a post for THE FLY on the forum about some messages in his mail box which he is neglecting and the Mods are after him.

Probley the best way to contact him ,would be to post some Hollow forms and give a discription and atthe bottom of the picture write,ANSWER YOUR MAIL YOU SILLY MOO. :lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe he's waiting for one of mine!! I am learning I promise. REgards Boysie.

 

[Anonymous]

Is it possible to write and not be able to read????

There's none so deaf as those that don't want to see :lol:

(Slainte Mhath E)

 

[big soft moose]

As for "hollow forms, why bother" - I have to say that they have a practical purpose - they can look and feel bloody fantastic.

in addition as swimbo has pointed out they are essentially vases and you can stand pretty flowers in them apparently

(Note to self - must make the neck wide enough to put a glass insert in the next one i make)