Fed up with the hyperbole of the referendum?

[RogerS]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

 

[Jacob]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

Saves enormously on foreign aid. In any case sending/spending money offshore is very big business compared to which your migrants £11bn will be peanuts and not even feature in the Panama papers.
If exporting wealth is to be restricted it should apply to all not just a few poor agricultural workers.

Good luck to them and welcome, say I.

 

[RogerS]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

Saves enormously on foreign aid. ......

OK..here's the thing. Folk have been asking for facts. I've given some together with the source. So please - extend us the same courtesy and provide a link to any source that supports this assertion.

Responses such as 'It's obvious' or 'Google it yourself' are discourteous to the forum.

Failure to provide any concrete evidence means that your response has to be filed, sadly, under 'Further meanderings of Chairman Butler'

 

[Jacob]

google it yourself.
is obvious innit?

 

[RogerS]

google it yourself.
is obvious innit?

Oh dear.......


FAIL !!

 

[RobinBHM]

Without checking any sources my gut feeling is that migrant workers are mostly from eastern europe and not locations where forrign aid goes.

Of course migrant workers that work here legally are paying UK taxes even if they are sending money home.

I dont actually see how this negatively affects our economy, after all if the migrant workers were not working in the UK then the money wouldnt be generated anyway -if it was generated then that probably assumes those jobs would need to be filled by uk workers, which given the low unemployment here is not realistic.

Migrant workers must spend some money here otherwise there wouldnt be so many Polish shops I like looking around our local Polish shop, its like beinh on holiday. Best place to get authentic Kabanos sausage.

.......a quick check shows foreign aid includes pakistan, ethiopia, bangladesh, nigeria.

 

[RogerS]

In the first quarter of 2015, just over three million EU-born people lived in the UK - approximately 1.9 million of which were employed in the UK.

Over recent years, EU immigration into the UK has increased, while non-EU immigration has stayed relatively stable.

Between June 2010 and June 2015, non-EU immigration has fallen by eight per cent, but EU immigration has increased by 51 per cent. This has been partly driven by the introduction of Bulgaria and Romania to the EU, according to Migration Observatory figures.

In 2015, according to the ONS, there were 340,000 returning British citizens, 1.1 million non-EU citizens and 1 million EU citizens.

 

[Jacob]

They come here because there is work to do - we have very low levels of unemployment.
In the process they do the work of providing goods and services, they pay taxes.
We want these things - they enrich the country.
We are lucky to have them.
Immigration is generally a net gain to the receiving country and a loss to the ones left.

The Brexiters probaly think immigration is their strongest card but as it comes under closer scrutiny and facts are bandied about, rather than paranoid anxieties, it will not carry much weight. Leaving Brexit with nothing much to go on!

 

[lurker]

I have no problem with those who come to work, but there are also rich pickings for the crooks and seemingly no risk of retribution.
In fact the authorities seem to be so risk averse when it's comes being accused of racism they all appear to immune where a uk born person is not.

 

[MIGNAL]

Yeah but we export our crooks to the south of Spain. Kind of like a balance of crook payments.

 

[Jacob]

Yeah but we export our crooks to the south of Spain. Kind of like a balance of crook payments.

:lol:
In any case the biggest crooks are the dodgy super rich foreigners buying up London property and keeping it empty. They have far more effect on the quality of our lives (through cranking up house prices) than a few dodgy pick-pockets from the east, and the government is basically on their side.

 

[woodpig]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

Agreed, I've been saying this for years.

 

[Eric The Viking]

Please forgive if this was posted earlier... also if you hate Paxo on University Challenge (the Domestic Controllwer shouts at the TV and insists he has a pro-Oxbridge bias, but that's largely because Bristol have been pants for the last few years. My own alma mater never makes the cut anyway, so I don't care!).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07c6n58/paxman-in-brussels-who-really-rules-us

 

[MIGNAL]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

Agreed, I've been saying this for years.

How much can they actually send back? Probably 90% of them are on minimum wage with rent, food, travel and all manner of other lifes expenses to pay for. Doubt that they are 'off shoring' anywhere near what you think. Maybe that £11 bn figure is skewed by some very rich immigrants sending money back. You know, Premier league footballers earning £50K + per week, no doubt a few others who are very rich. £6- £8 per hour isn't going to leave a lot to send back for your average immigrant.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Bulgarians and Romanians here for less than two years can pay their income tax in their own Countries. That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Jacob]

Level playing field - all those brits abroad would have to spend their earning there and not send any home. They'd just have to spend it all - fill up with bratwurst and beer before coming home.

 

[finneyb]

Bulgarians and Romanians here for less than two years can pay their income tax in their own Countries. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I assume that you are correct; on similar point if they earn less than the UK tax personal allowance - because they are here for a few months do they pay tax? eg agricultural workers here for a season - I suspect they don't. I can't believe that HMRC are that smart to work with he home country tax office - although HMRC are upping their game - they know where my interest is earned without me telling them.

Anyway I'm for staying in , for the simple reason that I can see no clear and overwhelming reason why we should leave.
I trust the politicians in this even less than I trust the BMA after all the leaks about the Junior Doctors dispute - the BMA are the pits so that says a lot about the politicians in this referendum.

Brian

 

[Jake]

Bulgarians and Romanians here for less than two years can pay their income tax in their own Countries. That doesn't make any sense to me.

If that is so it is not an EU rule, as EU does not cover taxation. It might apply to social security (national insurance) under EU law but not income tax.

 

[Eric The Viking]

The EU does determine some taxation, but not (yet) income tax for ordinary people.

There is a special, lower income tax rate for EU politicians and bureaucrats associated with Brussels (flat 20%?), also tax-free shopping, along the lines of the old Soviet system for the Nomenclatura.

The EU determines the classes of goods to which VAT applies. There is also the ratchet, whereby a class of goods previously tax-free is taxed forever, after it has started to be taxed by a national government. So under the EU it is not possible to tax something for a short time and then return it to VAT-exempt status. In the UK there is a workaround: zero-rated categories of goods. These are technically VAT-rated (just at zero), to get round the rules.

I think (but am not sure!) that the introduction of insurance premium tax, energy supply taxes and those on some foodstuffs previously tax-exempt, were as a result of EU directives.

 

[Jacob]

One aspect that seems to be overlooked is that rather than spend the money locally to boost the UK economy, migrants send back to their home countries £11bn per year. [Source: International Fund for Agricultural Development. A UN agency based in Rome]. While I can understand why they are doing this, I'd much rather that money stay here and boost our local economies.

Good idea.
So a Brit working in Germany for example, could email home and say sorry dear I can't send you any cash the EU doesn't allow it you'll just have to sign on or take to the streets.
Then he'd have to spend it all somehow (wild nightlife, restaurants, massage parlours?) and arrive home with nothing but the Ryanair allowance of 10kg of Bratwurst and some bottles of Schnapps tucked about in his clothing

Any more good ideas Roger, or is that it for the time being? :lol: :lol: