Fathers Day?

[woodbloke]

Fathers day today...I'll have one of these please :lol: - Rob

 

[Racers]

Hi,

i've put it in the post, didn't it arrive? :wink:

Pete

 

[Ironballs]

What does one of those bad boys retail for then Rob? I'm assuming it's worth a lot more than my old Focus

 

[Harbo]

I got a bottle of Plymouth instead!

Rod

 

[woodbloke]

What does one of those bad boys retail for then Rob? I'm assuming it's worth a lot more than my old Focus

Damian - if you can afford one of those you won't be able to do any woodwork 'cos you'll be without both arms and a leg as well :lol: - Rob

 

[frugal]

I got a bottle of Plymouth instead!

Rod

I got a lie in :wink:

 

[Lord Nibbo]

What does one of those bad boys retail for then Rob? I'm assuming it's worth a lot more than my old Focus

Well this one costs £5.300.00p

I think the 98 cost about £3000.

Getting back to fathers day, I got nothing, not even a phone call, mind you it collided with swmbo's birthday so that took priority :roll: I took her shopping in Plymouth, I even missed the first half of the grand prix.

 

[wizer]

My Dad got married yesterday so I got away with just giving him a card. Not sure what my daughter's excuse was tho :-k

We do normally do presents. I'm certainly not against fathers or mothers day. One day in recognition for what they/we do? Seems fair enough to me. I like the idea of not buying a card tho

 

[MikeG.]

Well this one costs £5.300.00p
I think the 98 cost about £3000.

THREAD HIJACKING ALERT!!!!

I have never heard of such complete and utter nonsense in all my born days! Surely no-one in their right mind would pay this sort of money for something that scrapes a layer off the top of a piece of wood? This is indulgent collector-driven madness........The maker is obviously giggling, because he only has to make and sell one a month to make a tidy living. He still his sense of humour........but I lose mine entirely when I see stuff like this being drooled over.

I wouldn't buy this if it sold for 10% of its current price. I received a homemade fruit cake with masses of homemade marzipan for Father's day..........and wouldn't swap it for that plane! (OK, I can't swap it now, because I've eaten all the cake.............but you get my drift!)

Rant over.



Mike

 

[Karl]

Well this one costs £5.300.00p
I think the 98 cost about £3000.

THREAD HIJACKING ALERT!!!!

I have never heard of such complete and utter nonsense in all my born days! Surely no-one in their right mind would pay this sort of money for something that scrapes a layer off the top of a piece of wood? This is indulgent collector-driven madness........The maker is obviously giggling, because he only has to make and sell one a month to make a tidy living. He still his sense of humour........but I lose mine entirely when I see stuff like this being drooled over.

I wouldn't buy this if it sold for 10% of its current price. I received a homemade fruit cake with masses of homemade marzipan for Father's day..........and wouldn't swap it for that plane! (OK, I can't swap it now, because I've eaten all the cake.............but you get my drift!)

Rant over.



Mike

I do wonder how many of these fabulous creations actually get used, and how many actually sit in vacuum sealed glass cabinets. :lol:

Karl Holtey is a member here - wonder if he knows???? Somebody should send him a PM.

I'd have one tomorrow if I felt I could justify spending that much.

Cheers

Karl

 

[Paul Chapman]

I have never heard of such complete and utter nonsense in all my born days! Surely no-one in their right mind would pay this sort of money for something that scrapes a layer off the top of a piece of wood?

Wait till you get to our age, Mike - you'll find that planes like that are better than sex, and probably cheaper :lol:

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[woodbloke]

Having seen and handled some of Karl's creations at West Dean a couple of weeks ago, I have to say that they are things of true beauty and absolute precision. If I could afford one, I'd have a '98 at the drop of the proverbial. To me, it's a bit like motors...I'd like a top of the range Aston, but I can't have it so I make do without.
If Mike's logic extends to cars, I reckon he drives around in a 15 year old Ford Fiesta (gets you from A to B init)...but I suspect he doesn't :lol: :lol: - Rob

 

[MikeG.]

If Mike's logic extends to cars, I reckon he drives around in a 15 year old Ford Fiesta (gets you from A to B init)...but I suspect he doesn't :lol: :lol: - Rob

..........erm.........exactly what I do drive around in Rob, how did you know?

And yes, we do have another car.........a 7 year old Honda Civic.

The difference between planes and cars is that a twenty or a fifty year old plane still does the job every bit as well as the day it was made, and hasn't been superceded by some new technology. I also used to think that planes were woodworking tools and not subject to fashion trends or "keeping up with the Jones'".........in that respect I am clearly wrong.

Mike

 

[woodbloke]

If Mike's logic extends to cars, I reckon he drives around in a 15 year old Ford Fiesta (gets you from A to B init)...but I suspect he doesn't :lol: :lol: - Rob

..........erm.........exactly what I do drive around in Rob, how did you know?

And yes, we do have another car.........a 7 year old Honda Civic.


Mike

I only have one vehicle though Mike (plus of course the Blokebike) so is this the start of a collection 8-[ ...could be a slippery slope :lol: Seriously though, we were discussing modern top end tools at the Bash at the weekend (I think :? ) and we agreed that the very best from todays toolmakers is infinitely better than that produced even 20 or 30 years ago. If you were to compare a Holtey with an old first grade Norris (they both do the same job, and I have an A1 Norris panel plane) one of Karl's planes is what you'd pick up and go home with, at least I would - Rob

 

[MikeG.]

It's all about perspective, Rob.

Even if you could afford it, how could you justify spending £5300 on something that shaves a layer off a piece of wood? To justify it, it would have to do the job so much better than an alternative that costs, say, £100 or £200, (and, you would have to shave an incredible amount of wood by hand). The point is........in most circumstances it doesn't do it any better. It is just that every now and again an ordinary tool's limitations are exposed by a tricky piece of wood, and then the super-plane comes into its own.

The super-car analogy is a good one. Your Ferrari is a ridiculous indulgence for doing the shopping at Tescos, and doesn't do that job any better than a Fiesta. On the very odd occasion that you are on an autobahn you might justify the extra money in performance terms.

In the meantime, the main reason for having a Ferrari is to show off.

Mike

 

[woodbloke]

It's all about perspective, Rob.

Even if you could afford it, how could you justify spending £5300 on something that shaves a layer off a piece of wood? To justify it, it would have to do the job so much better than an alternative that costs, say, £100 or £200, (and, you would have to shave an incredible amount of wood by hand). The point is........in most circumstances it doesn't do it any better. It is just that every now and again an ordinary tool's limitations are exposed by a tricky piece of wood, and then the super-plane comes into its own.


Mike

They are just lovely things to own and fondle (this is getting far too serious 8-[ )and I have to agree (and again somehting else that we've discussed and I've proved) these fantastic looking planes perform no better than your avarage LN or LV tool (properly set up) but it would be grossly unfair to compare them with even a well set up Record or Stanley No4 (and I had one of those, alas now sold on the bay ) I know that you have immense faith in your No4 (I think that's what you use) but you would need to experience the delights of something like a LN to appreciate the difference - Rob

 

[SVB]

Not sure if I want to enter this one, but anyway. I think the price re the item comes down to two things.

I suspect fewer of these are made than T-LN produces each year for example and while the O/H are less, I suspect the man-hours are considerably more as my impression is that these are largely hand crafted by one skilled maker. Therefore, while I suspect they do turn a profit, by the time the business O/H are covered the hourly rate may not be as high as first impressions may suggest.

Whether a hand-plane is worth £5k, well, anything is only worth what you are prepared to pay. At least it will last forever, people spend £1k plus on bottles of wine to drink!

My 2p worth, (ducking back down below the parapet!)

 

[wizer]

I'd also be curios to know if a complete beginner has ever bought a Holtey. I doubt it. Anyone who buys a Holtey knows exactly what they are paying their money for.

Mike there must be something in your life that you'd pay over the odds just because you love it so much. Some people like shiny things.

 

[MikeG.]

Mike there must be something in your life that you'd pay over the odds just because you love it so much.

I had to think about this for a long time, Tom.......















No!





Tight fisted? Who, me?



Mike

 

[Aled Dafis]

Somewhere on his site, Karl Holtey states that he spends well in excess of 200 hours on each plane, and with a price tag of £5300, I make that about £25 per hour.

If we take out materials and overheads - he has a superb machine shop, and they don't come cheap - the guy is probably only earning say £10 - £15 an hour, that's significantly less than most skilled tradesmen in this country.

Now tell me that his planes are expensive. Yes they cost a lot, but they are definately not expensive!!!!

Cheers

Aled