EZ Smart - Worth buying in the UK?

[xraymtb]

I eventually decided to go EZ Smart as the Festool and other Plunge Saws just seemed too pricey and limited in comparison and I don't have the space for the table saw I want!!!

Pricing up the EZ system - I'm starting to wonder if it is really worth buying in the UK as opposed to shipping from the US? Dino does sell the SGS-100 kit on EBay from time to time and if bought there, combined with shipping and the potential import charges, you end up with it for the same price as buying the SGS-64 direct in the UK. The more you buy, the cheaper it seems to get.

So my question is...is it worth buying direct from the UK distributor if the prices aren't going to be better?

 

[tnimble]

I'm deciding between the EZ smart sgs-114 + cabinate maker and / or bridge and powerbench kit or a festool MFT / CMS or the JET JTS250.

The prices when import the EZ seem very economical. I recall Dino mentionaing due to high demand to exporting to the UK he's looking in having the EZ products also manufactured in the UK.

 

[wizer]

Mike, as I understand it. The UK retailer is not fully set up at this time, even tho there is a website. I recently took delivery of 2 large orders from EZ US. The first got through with no customs, the second got hit with £30. So in short, yes, you will get a good deal going straight to Dino. Your best bet is to call the office. It's much better to speak to them rather than do it over email or ebay. They will help you get the best deal and the best shipping solution.

Good Luck, you will be impressed!!

 

[xraymtb]

Your best bet is to call the office. It's much better to speak to them rather than do it over email or ebay.

But will they match the price on EBay? :lol:

When they are listed - the SGS-100 normally goes for around $40-50 less than the price on their website.

 

[wizer]

oh I don't know about that Mike. Yes probably is the honest answser. But might be an idea to wait for another auction. You might aswell spend some time making sure you have got everything you need in one shipment. I have got it in little bits and I should have bought everything at once.

It's a shame your not local, you could have come and had a play with it.

 

[xraymtb]

I did e-mail Dino a while back and he did say he would dispatch items won at auction with any other items - maybe I'll try calling and see if they will price match it anyway.

As for having a play with it, I've tried all the other options and watched numerous videos and I'm pretty sure I've made the right choice. I'm only getting the 100" package and the square for now. I might follow it with repeaters in the future but they are small enough to come back in my ski bag next time I'm out there :lol: .

 

[wizer]

You might be better with the 114 package. That either give you a bit of room off the end of an 8ft sheet to park the saw or an extra little rail for quick short cuts.

 

[Vormulac]

I didn't realise there was a UK source for EZ stuff now! When I bought mine I bought it on ebay and then via a few emails back and forth with Dino sorted out the exact package I needed. Unfortunately I got nailed by HM Customs and Thievery and on top of that the courier charged me 35% vat (thieving gets), but it still worked out the cheapest option by a looong way!

 

[tnimble]

Might I ask which products you have bought Wizer?

on top of that the courier charged me 35% vat (thieving gets)

That sound like an error. VAT should always be 17.5% over the declarable value of the goods including packaging and postage (added to the package along with randsom by the Royal Thievery Guild). There are no import duties on tools from the USA or Canada to the EU.

 

[wizer]

I have 2x50" rails, 2x25" rails, 1 SRK including the limit stops, 2 long smart clamps and 2 short smart clamps aswell as the smart base with the anti chip inserts. Oh and a smart table.

 

[Lester Burnham]

I looked into this a couple of weeks ago. For the 114inch rail package Dino wanted 256 dollars and 95 dollars for handling and postage. Thats about £200.00 all in. No mention of customs. Peter West of EZ tooling UK wanted £211.99 plus £ 17.60 postage.
There is therefore little in it. However Dino was prepared to offer discount on an oversized base as well, 40 dlolars instead of 75, so I guess he will do a deal for larger orders.

Im using my homemade wooden guide whilst I decide !

 

[wizer]

I didn't realise Peter was fully trading. In which case it's tricky, because Peter is the UK distro. So Dino shouldn't be dealing with UK customers.

 

[Dave S]

Dino did say that with Peter the official distributor in the UK he would not be supplying direct. But then Peter has a pretty small range on the website - not even the anti-chip edges are listed so I'm not sure what the setup is at the moment.

I also notice that he hasn't posted on the forum since July. :?

Dave

 

[Dave S]

I looked into this a couple of weeks ago. For the 114inch rail package Dino wanted 256 dollars and 95 dollars for handling and postage. Thats about £200.00 all in. No mention of customs. Peter West of EZ tooling UK wanted £211.99 plus £ 17.60 postage.
There is therefore little in it. However Dino was prepared to offer discount on an oversized base as well, 40 dlolars instead of 75, so I guess he will do a deal for larger orders.

Im using my homemade wooden guide whilst I decide !

Customs has nothing to do with Dino, that's why it wasn't mentioned. It is completely luck of the draw as to whether you get charged or not - if you do, it would push the price above what Peter has quoted you. I got charged a total of around £50 because you pay import duty, then you pay VAT on both the items and the delivery, plus a fee to Royal Mail to clear it through customs.

One thing to bear in mind is that the US shipper won't take items over s certain length - hence of you get the 114" rails from the US they will have to cut the rail down and provide extra connectors. If you can avoid this by buying here then I would definitely recommend it. Joining three rails together and getting the rail straight is a pita!!

Dave

 

[Dave S]

There are no import duties on tools from the USA or Canada to the EU.

There is to the UK, although I can't remember how much. I think there is a price threshold below which duty is not charged.

 

[Noel]

Might I ask which products you have bought Wizer?

on top of that the courier charged me 35% vat (thieving gets)

That sound like an error. VAT should always be 17% over the declarable value of the goods including packaging and postage (added to the package along with randsom by the Royal Thievery Guild). There are no import duties on tools from the USA or Canada to the EU.

Uk Vat is 17.5% and there is always import duty on goods supplied from outside the EU no matter from where, generally around 10%.

 

[tnimble]

Uk Vat is 17.5% and there is always import duty on goods supplied from outside the EU no matter from where, generally around 10%.

That is soo untrue. If import duties are due depends on the both the origin and the type of good. If multiple goods are in a package each good has their own possible import duty or import restriction. Which duty applies is dependent on the assigned tarric code. Most duties are around 3 to 5 percent, but can shoot up for certain product from certain countries or even districts. Often its very hard to determine the correct duties as more of the tarrics codes can apply to a good or none really fits the good at all. For instance a camera from Hongkong has a different code and dutie then a package containing both a camera body and a camera lens. If it came from any other place in China again other duties apply.

A saw guide system like the EZ smart has a different code than for instance a cordless driill, a set of pliers again would have a different code also. The import duties and policies are harmonized between Europe including non Eurozone countries like Sweden and the UK. But guess ripoff Britain deviates from this with tools because the UK has the largest tool user population, available product diversity and availability in the EU.

But still 35% can not be correct at all. If the tarric code for a saw guide should point to atmost 22% VAT + duties total.

 

[tnimble]

One thing to bear in mind is that the US shipper won't take items over s certain length - hence of you get the 114" rails from the US they will have to cut the rail down and provide extra connectors. If you can avoid this by buying here then I would definitely recommend it. Joining three rails together and getting the rail straight is a pita!!

Dave

The 114" consist of a 50" and 64" guide the girth should meet the allowed packages size. (If i'm correct with USPS the maximum girth for rectangular packages was length + width <= 108") But the maximum sizes fepend also on the type of server and the shipper. For larger packages FexEd and UPS can get more economical than USPS.

 

[Noel]

Uk Vat is 17.5% and there is always import duty on goods supplied from outside the EU no matter from where, generally around 10%.

That is soo untrue. If import duties are due depends on the both the origin and the type of good. If multiple goods are in a package each good has their own possible import duty or import restriction. Which duty applies is dependent on the assigned tarric code. Most duties are around 3 to 5 percent, but can shoot up for certain product from certain countries or even districts. Often its very hard to determine the correct duties as more of the tarrics codes can apply to a good or none really fits the good at all. For instance a camera from Hongkong has a different code and dutie then a package containing both a camera body and a camera lens. If it came from any other place in China again other duties apply.

A saw guide system like the EZ smart has a different code than for instance a cordless driill, a set of pliers again would have a different code also. The import duties and policies are harmonized between Europe including non Eurozone countries like Sweden and the UK. But guess ripoff Britain deviates from this with tools because the UK has the largest tool user population, available product diversity and availability in the EU.

But still 35% can not be correct at all. If the tarric code for a saw guide should point to atmost 22% VAT + duties total.

"There are no import duties on tools from the USA or Canada to the EU."

You said there was no import duty on tools from North America. There is. Maybe between 3 and 10%, I haven't time to look it up but here you go:
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dd ... er?Lang=EN

 

[tnimble]

You said there was no import duty on tools from North America. There is. Maybe between 3 and 10%, I haven't time to look it up but

OK since you're persistant. The EZ smaty guige would be most properly described as a jig, fixture or part of or for a machine. US to UK is 1.2%