EV owners - Car Tax

[johnb80]

This is quite a fascinating thread it shows quite stark differences in opinion. It is possible that in some way everyone is partially correct and there are good points from both sides.

Absolutely, amazing from where the thread started - Road Tax!

I am not anti EV at all, some of them are amazing vehicles and I may indeed buy one at some point, if they become remotely affordable or someone does a decent big van.
The belief that they will solve the environmental issues they claim to fix is likely wishful thinking and at worst a calculated con.

They fix the huge amount of pollution that is emitted from the tail pipes of ICE vehicles.

There are so many intrinsic problems that must be solved first, people living in terraced streets and flats cannot charge up at home,

Can they fill up with diesel or petrol at home? Simply recharge whilst you do the family shopping / cinema / restaurant / show etc. It just needs slightly different thinking.

the grid is not equipped to take the power needed for charging everyones car anyway

National Grid say it is:-

Do the electricity grid's wires have enough capacity for charging EVs?
The simple answer is yes. The highest peak electricity demand in the UK in recent years was 62GW in 2002. Since then, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16% due to improvements in energy efficiency.

Even if we all switched to EVs overnight, we estimate demand would only increase by around 10%. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002, and this is well within the range the grid can capably handle.

Nevertheless, at National Grid we’re working with the distribution networks, government, the regulator and industry to provide the green energy infrastructure around Britain – the wires, the connections to charge points – to support the needs of a decarbonised transport network into the future.

it takes too long to charge and there are already people waiting to charge at motorway services.

Only a couple times in 8 years Ive had to wait for a few minutes, most of the time you see vacant chargers everywhere. They dont take too long to charge, it's wise to stop after a couple hours driving on safety grounds, I usually need the loo after 2 or 3 hours. Stopping for a coffee and loo put's more than enough charge for the next 2 to 3 hours so time is irrelevant. MG5 20% to 80% takes 40 minutes, thats approx 40 kWh which gives around 180 miles added to the range. The rate of charge is 270 miles per hour so a 25 minute stop adds 112 miles or thereabouts. Unless youre a driver that must be able to do 600 miles without stopping and fill up in 2 minutes it really isnt a problem.

Toyota have been making fantastic hybrids for ages and have even done a hydrogen vehicle.

Aye, all of that is true, their Mirai hydrogen vehicle was a disaster, the filters needed replacing almost weekly, Hydogen fuel is extremely expensive and inefficient with filling stations non existent. It's a common myth that petrol engines can be converted easily to run on Hydrogen, Toyota had a go and failed badly with this one.

This is because they worked out that pure ev was not the best way forward.

Have you got evidence of this?

The exhaust of a modern petrol engine is very clean indeed, perhaps alternative fuels is a better way, certainly more energy dense and lighter.

Than what?

The car industry doesn`t really want to make EV`s, they are only doing so because they have been told to by governments or face fines and sanctions.

A dont think Elon Musk would agree with you, nor would SAIC, BYD, Polestar, Omada and more. Fines and sanctions are country related, not all countries use these sticks as it were.

The rule where the total fleet of cars sold must be under a certain value makes no sense and is why we can`t get a new Landcruser in the UK.

Not sure I've heard about this, please enlighten us.

They will have an effect but it might actually be better to just keep old cars that are already manufactured working longer, no one needs to buy a new car every 2 years.

Agreed

 

[Vulcan]

Absolutely, amazing from where the thread started - Road Tax!


They fix the huge amount of pollution that is emitted from the tail pipes of ICE vehicles.


Can they fill up with diesel or petrol at home? Simply recharge whilst you do the family shopping / cinema / restaurant / show etc. It just needs slightly different thinking.


National Grid say it is:-

Do the electricity grid's wires have enough capacity for charging EVs?
The simple answer is yes. The highest peak electricity demand in the UK in recent years was 62GW in 2002. Since then, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16% due to improvements in energy efficiency.

Even if we all switched to EVs overnight, we estimate demand would only increase by around 10%. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002, and this is well within the range the grid can capably handle.

Nevertheless, at National Grid we’re working with the distribution networks, government, the regulator and industry to provide the green energy infrastructure around Britain – the wires, the connections to charge points – to support the needs of a decarbonised transport network into the future.


Only a couple times in 8 years Ive had to wait for a few minutes, most of the time you see vacant chargers everywhere. They dont take too long to charge, it's wise to stop after a couple hours driving on safety grounds, I usually need the loo after 2 or 3 hours. Stopping for a coffee and loo put's more than enough charge for the next 2 to 3 hours so time is irrelevant. MG5 20% to 80% takes 40 minutes, thats approx 40 kWh which gives around 180 miles added to the range. The rate of charge is 270 miles per hour so a 25 minute stop adds 112 miles or thereabouts. Unless youre a driver that must be able to do 600 miles without stopping and fill up in 2 minutes it really isnt a problem.


Aye, all of that is true, their Mirai hydrogen vehicle was a disaster, the filters needed replacing almost weekly, Hydogen fuel is extremely expensive and inefficient with filling stations non existent. It's a common myth that petrol engines can be converted easily to run on Hydrogen, Toyota had a go and failed badly with this one.


Have you got evidence of this?


Than what?


A dont think Elon Musk would agree with you, nor would SAIC, BYD, Polestar, Omada and more. Fines and sanctions are country related, not all countries use these sticks as it were.


Not sure I've heard about this, please enlighten us.


Agreed

You’ve done a good job John. There still seem to be lots of people who are either badly informed or still willing to make stuff up.

A couple of links you may wish to add to your armoury for the next onslaught.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electric-vehicles-costs-charging-and-infrastructure

https://www.faircharge.co.uk/little-book-of-ev-myths

I read today about the number of charging points in the UK. Including Public, Private and Work charging points the total is around 930,000. Over 1,000 public chargers were installed last month in the UK. More details at Zapmap if anyone’s interested.

https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-many-charging-points

 

[Vulcan]

You constantly say you’re not anti EV but keep coming to threads to knock them down. Doesn’t stack up for me…

I hear it all the time. I think they say it so that people will listen to them, and then repeat misinformation or a myth that’s already been debunked.