Sachakins
The most wasted of days is one without woodwork
Unlikely, single household.
e-scooter trial, London
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Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
You tax it so it can then be put on the public highway, doesn't matter if it just sits there or if it is moving, it is physically touching the road and the is the privelage you pay for. Just as it can not be left in the street even if you have a SORN otherwise it can cost you 6 points and a large fine, been there and done that.
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
No, they're making you pay twice (or three, four, however many times) because they can. Why do dogs lick their balls? Because they can. Rights, wrongs, usage, whatever has f all to do with it.
Sachakins
The most wasted of days is one without woodwork
That's the point, it's not touching the road. It's on private land.
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
No and they never have. This is a common mistake made by people Vehicle Excise Duty is not a road tax it is a fee applied to each vehicle you own to allow you to have it physically touch the roadway and for nothing else and you have to pay that fee for each one you own. The money raised goes into the general pot raised by all taxes. So yes people who use or park a bicycle or an e-scooter should pay too
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
That's all the more reason the driver should be taxed not the vehicle.
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
So you have a gate guard for your house then as it is never used, it never leaves your driveway? Or is it really a helicopter that never lands on anything other than private land?
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
Can you tell me of someone who pays it without owning a motor vehicle? Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ...
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
No need for two cars then! However the taxation system is set up it will feel unfair to someone.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
No but there are cars that use the road that it doesn’t apply to.Can you tell me of someone who pays it without owning a motor vehicle? Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ...
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
Which is by the bye.
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
Yes, my wife, she can't drive at all and pays VED for a vehicle she does not own, to enable her mother to have transport and she lives in a different city. Yes, her choice to do so but it is also your choice to own and operate more than 1 vehicle
Sachakins
The most wasted of days is one without woodwork
Supposition, who said 2 cars, I mentioned 3 vehicles, only one is a car.
We would be too, win-win.
Sachakins
The most wasted of days is one without woodwork
Yes, but should pay insurance like any other vehicle propelled by assistive power.
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
@Phil Pascoe, why should it be the driver that is taxed and not each vehicle. After all each vehicle causes a different amount of damage/harm to infrastructure and the environment, that's why there are different levels of VED. If it's just the driver that is taxed and therefore we will all pay the same then i'm buying a FV510 warrior when the army gets rid of them in 4 years time
Sachakins
The most wasted of days is one without woodwork
No need to worry or fret in the future, when the system changes to pay per mile, as is likely given the massive number of ANPR cameras being installed, then you will only have to pay for your use, so having multiple vehicles won't matter, as you'll only pay for the one your in.
Hence why I prefer that VED/Road fund licence/car tax, call it what ever you want, be abolished completely.
Transfer the tax onto fuel, so guzzling high emissions cars pay more, the economical car pays less, those that do only 5000 miles a year don't pay as much as the 20000 miles a year user using the same type of vehicle.
Much fairer, much more equality of taxation by usage.
Just need to find a way of capturing non petrol or diesel cars, say electric vehicles. . Which would be quite easy via national charging network, bit more difficult to capture at home charging, unless they legislate that you must have an in home charging system, that's measures and sends you a bill.
It would have to be separate from general household bills though.
Hence why I prefer that VED/Road fund licence/car tax, call it what ever you want, be abolished completely.
Transfer the tax onto fuel, so guzzling high emissions cars pay more, the economical car pays less, those that do only 5000 miles a year don't pay as much as the 20000 miles a year user using the same type of vehicle.
Much fairer, much more equality of taxation by usage.
Just need to find a way of capturing non petrol or diesel cars, say electric vehicles. . Which would be quite easy via national charging network, bit more difficult to capture at home charging, unless they legislate that you must have an in home charging system, that's measures and sends you a bill.
It would have to be separate from general household bills though.
Jester129
Established Member
Since when did RFL (clue is in the wording for the upkeep of roads) become VED? Just askin'?
Is that fair though? If I own two houses I don't have to pay two full sets of council tax.
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
Churchill appropriated the income after WW2.
