Dust extraction - bandsaw and tablesaw

[Mr Ed]

Hi folks

Considering upgrading dust extraction to my bandsaw and tablesaw as neither is really satisfactory at the moment.

I have an Ax ADE1200 chip extractor which performs brilliantly on my P/T but seems to struggle to do much connected to the twin outlets of the bandsaw. I realise I need HPLV rather than the HVLP I have now.

The tablesaw (Kity 419) needs some modification as at the moment I use the shop vac stuck up the dust port which is pretty crap really.

I think the right machine could solve both problems and leave the ADE1200 for the planer.

I know a few people are looking at the options at the moment.

I am considering this;

and this

Any thoughts anyone, or alternative suggestions

Thanks,Ed

 

[matt]

I'm in a similar position. I use the Trend shop vac for my bandsaw via a homemade adapter to take the port down to 32mm (or thereabouts). However, I keep wondering whether the dust extraction could be improved using something along the lines of what you're looking at.

My tablesaw (Xcalibur) has no dust extraction at all. It dumps some quite heavy looking stuff on the floor below and sends the lighter stuff up in the air. There's no overhead extraction options so I thought about putting a board underneath, with a large bucket sized hole in it to suspend a removable bucket below. Then make a hole in the bucket reasonably high up to allow the shop vac to be connected to catch the lighter stuff. Then all I'd do is empty the bucket every once in a while.

I always find myself wondering how good I can make the dust extraction - good enough to be able to remove my face mask maybe? If not, is it worth getting too carried away?

 

[Boz62]

Hi Ed,

I've just (5 days ago) received a Camvac 286 - single motor, 2.5". I intentionally stuck to the lowest spec one, for a small workshop, to use only with hand power tools and the bandsaw. I'm well impressed with it. Works very well with power tools and round the shop. On the bandsaw it is showing promise with my direct pipe arrangement from the front under the table, despite only having the single motor, although I still need to optimise that.

At £140 bare from Yandles I felt it was good value. I didn't need the accessories that other makes provide in their pricing. I already had some castors around so it now has its' own skateboard, and I have old domestic vac fittings, adequate for now. The prices escalate quite fast as you add options and accessories, so it took a while for me to justify to myself what level to dive in at. I avoided a 4" port as I felt on a single motor it would be a waste and just take up extra space with adapters.

At Rob's suggestion I have also played with a pipe on the exhaust and that helps a lot, muffling the direct motor noise, a distinct improvement. He has just bought a twin motor Camvac so once he's back may be able to contribute his comments as well.

It suits me and the way I work anyway. I know it would struggle with a p/t, but if I ever go that far, I'd get a separate chip extractor. This is the first properly filtered extractor I've had and it has been well worth it.

Good luck
Boz

 

[wizer]

I think you've got it right Ed. Keep the chip extractor on the P/T and get yourself a twin motor camvac. IIRC Nick Gibbs wasn't very impressed when he tested that axi model.

 

[Chippyjoe]

Hi Ed,

I was in a similiar situation to you a few weeks ago.
I used to use a ADE 1200 (Axi) to extract my T/S and P/T.

Since revamping the workshop, and space now being of the premium having upgraded my T/S and P/T I opted for the Record DX5000 wall mounted extractor.

Twin motors that are pulling from about 7metres away no problems at all.
The only downside is it is a bit noisy,but when running the P/T it is not a problem.

Mark.

 

[newt]

I never seem to have enough capacity when thicknessing, so I just place a large hardboard box around the outlet (far enough away for the length of board being machined). A large pile then builds up on the garage floor but is contained from going all over the place. When finished shovel into large x- dustbin, when full burn. . All other machines I extract using LVHP.

 

[Harbo]

I sold my Camvac 286 2.5" to a friend as it could not cope with the shavings from my P/T.

I use a Record DX5000 which is very powerful and was much cheaper at the time than the twin motor Camvac.

I also use some Radio controlled switches from Maplins to control it (and other things) - they're magic!

Rod

 

[OPJ]

I think you've got it right Ed. Keep the chip extractor on the P/T and get yourself a twin motor camvac. IIRC Nick Gibbs wasn't very impressed when he tested that axi model.

Yes. If I remember this correctly, I think Nick's biggest issue was that larger shavings and chippings would easily build up in the funnel before they reached the bag, which meant having to unblock it fairly often. It was still a decent enough performer with fine dust and power tools though. I can only imagine that Camvac's extractors are in a different league...

 

[Mr Ed]

Thanks for the feedback so far guys. Its looking like the Camvac is the favourite as I suspected. Yandles appears cheapest on them - is that the general concensus?

Ed

 

[Boz62]

Yes, Yandles was cheapest for my spec, and were most helpful on the phone. Yandles don't stock them, they are shipped from Camvac direct to the customer. I ordered on Wednesday 17'th , and it came by courier on Monday 22'nd (they'd said 3 - 5 days). Camvac were out of stock of the spare packs of paper filters I also ordered, so I am still waiting for those as a separate delivery.

Boz

 

[wizer]

the cloth filter is better if you can change your order

 

[Jake]

Unless something has changed without me noticing, they are different things, Wizer - cloth 'diaphragm', cloth bag over motor, paper filter over cloth bag.

 

[wizer]

I have 2 stages of cloth filters on my RSDE2 and I have a third for when cutting MDF

 

[Boz62]

Yes, the current Camvacs are as Jake describes. Instruction here (PDF)

Boz

 

[Jake]

I had to sneakily edit, got the paper and cloth the wrong way around - duh.

The paper has far finer pores.

 

[wizer]

I can't find the documentation now, but the cloth filters were sold to me as a replacement/upgrade to the paper bags. I haven't used them for over 2yrs

 

[Mr Ed]

I presume the basic machine comes with the filters to get started does it?

Ed

 

[Boz62]

Yes, Camvac ship it with one set of filters, ready fitted - you just need to lift the top and the outer cloth filter to remove a packing piece in the bottom of the can (a cardboard box to support the base of motor for transit). The intermediate paper bag filter should be good for several fills - allegedly

Boz

 

[Mr Ed]

Thanks Boz

I may hit the button on one today if I can psych myself up to it

Cheers, Ed

 

[Boz62]

Go on.... you know you want to :twisted:

Enjoy
Boz