Door Frame leaning forward??

[Sebb]

Hi, I'm looking to replace door and frame on a cottage, the existing frame is leaning out at the top - around 3cm out of plumb with the head leaning towards you looked at from outside.

The new door frame is going to have to be same width as the old one - the head ties to the wall at the top and moving the bottom jambs out isn't going to work either. It going to have T hinges so I can't just drop it back into the frame and hang the door plumb that way. I guess I could sink the top hinge into the frame a little and pad the bottom one a little to get the door plumb but I'm concerned its not going to look right like that.

Current thinking is to just put the new frame in where the old one was and live with the door being out of plumb front to back- it opens outwards and is going to swing open on its own but it has plenty of clearance and if the cottage is wonky probably going to look best matching what's there.

But am I missing a better easier way to hang the new door plum without it looking wrong?

 

[MikeJhn]

Change the door to open inwards so it self close's.

 

[Sebb]

Nice idea but not an option as inwards goes up a rise..

 

[Bingy man]

How about 50:50 in other words fit the new frame plumb but split the 30 mm 15mm each side . Half inside and half outside . At least then the difference will be less likely and easier to make good .

 

[johnnyb]

Just make the frame. Put in plumb and disguise any issues using mouldings, fudges. It's time honoured and something someone whose worked on old joinery becomes more adept at!
Plumb walls are a rarity. Therefore plumb frames within the depth of the wall lead to tapered wedges to flush everything up or caulked architrave or some sneaky disguise.

 

[Sebb]

Cheers, yes I think it'll be a case of splitting the difference and fudging it best as can be., thanks for the input

 

[Cabinetman]

If I understand the problem correctly make your own frame with an angled rebate, hang the door using normal butt hinges and then add the T as decoration?

 

[Sebb]

That's an idea too I hadn't thought of but unless I taper the front of the frame the t hinges aren't going to sit flat and look right, and if I'm tapering the frame so the front edge where the t straps sit is plum I'd just as well use the hinges in any case and ts going to look strange against the wall so I'm back to square one.

I Johnny B's plan of building the frame, getting it in plum and going from there is going to be the way. If it looks just too strange plum then maybe it'll end up a bit out of plum to match the wall, we'll see. thanks all for the ideas..

 

[HOJ]

In its current form does it work?, if you change it, will it still work, sometimes you just need to deal with what you have, rather than try and get it all square and plumb, all part of the character of old cottages and buildings, basically, don't bother getting the spirit level out.

Unless you are "upgrading" its construction and performance in which case a compromise will be needed.

 

[duke]

How about a reference photo.