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AJB Temple

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I have just bought 2 "vintage" Disston hand saws off eBay, one rip one cross. No teeth missing. £22. It will be interesting to see if they are worth sharpening up to good usable condition versus the virtually disposable hand saws of today for about the same money. To buy a decent hand saw by e.g. Lie Neilson or similar respected brands is in the £140 area. I will post up some pictures when they arrive, but I would be interested in what others think of buying used saws. (If they are not up to much I will sharpen them and sell back on eBay individually).

Adrian
 
I've got a couple of Disston saws in my workshop. Been sat there waiting for me to get them back to work. Still havent got round to it!!

Do let us know how they perform.
 
I was looking at those too, I hope you get a good result with them.

I have bought a couple of vintage hand saws over the past few weeks, panel and back. All of them in good nick, just needing a slight wipe over and a tickle of the teeth. I don't think I have paid more than £20 or so

I am awaiting a Disston 5 TPI to arrive, hopefully that will be a keeper too. I think I paid a litle more for this one?

David

Edit - I tell a lie, it wasn't a Disston rip, it was this one

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Warra ... =STRK%3AME

and this one

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252146165500? ... EBIDX%3AIT

and this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-FINE-LARGE- ... p2047675.l
 
Hi Gents,
I'd be really keen to hear how you get on with the saws. I've been considering doing exactly the same myself, inspired partly by Paul Seller's excellent video on sharpening a saw.

Even though modern saws are so cheap, binning one after one minor mishap seems like a massive waste. I was tempted by the Bahco saw handle with interchangeable blades (they are certainly great to use- I had a go on a mate's) but I have my doubts about how long the blades will be available.

Report back on progress!

Cheers, and happy sharpening.
Sven

PS where do you get your saw files from, and what brand do you use?
 
AJB Temple":2wnn96of said:
I will post up some pictures when they arrive, but I would be interested in what others think of buying used saws.

I have never bought or sold a saw on eBay, but every saw I have is s/h from car boots sales.

Postage on saws is a little high, and I like to check out the quality (especially w.r.t. kinks) in person.

As to brands, I find most pre-WWII saws to be excellent, and Disston no better than other top makers (e.g. S&J, Tyzack et al).

As a proxy for blade quality, I look for well made handles when searching.

BugBear
 
SpoonsbySven":35dylcq0 said:
Hi Gents,
I'd be really keen to hear how you get on with the saws. I've been considering doing exactly the same myself, inspired partly by Paul Seller's excellent video on sharpening a saw.

Even though modern saws are so cheap, binning one after one minor mishap seems like a massive waste. I was tempted by the Bahco saw handle with interchangeable blades (they are certainly great to use- I had a go on a mate's) but I have my doubts about how long the blades will be available.

Report back on progress!

Cheers, and happy sharpening.
Sven

PS where do you get your saw files from, and what brand do you use?

You can buy your files from Classic Hand Tools, about the best quality for the money I have found

David
 
I've had more saws than I need (cough!) from Ebay, and noticed that for some reason, Disstons seemed to fetch higher prices than other makes. I don't know why, but I avoided them for that reason. Of the backsaws, all were either 19th century or pre-WW1, and needed only a clean and sharpen to be excellent workers.

Of the long saws, half the ones I bought had undeclared kinks in the blade, which are possible (but difficult) to smith out. Unless al Ebay listing specifically stated that the saw was straight, I'd avoid it. Toothlines also varied, some being distinctly hollow in length (persistently sharpened more in the middle than at the ends, and not jointed). Changing a saw from cross-cut to rip (or vice-versa) is quite easy, but changing from one tooth spacing to another is time-consuming, so buying saws with the tooth spacing you want is a good plan. I've also noticed that 19th century saws have handles much better suited to my hand; mid to late 20th century handles seem to be sized for someone with hands like shovels, and I find them much less comfortable to use (though that will obviously depend on the size of your hands). Replacing a handle isn't quite as hard as reviving a kinked blade, though.

Thus, my conclusions are that it's best to buy good, straight blades, and worry less about handles. Older is generally better I think, though there's a slight trade-off between corrosion on older saws and horrible handles on newer ones. Maybe the happy medium is to buy good, newish saws, keep the clean blade and throw away the horrible handle. Making a comfortable 19th century style handle is a satisfying project, and remains satisfying every time you use the saw.
 
I have literally dozens of ebay handsaws now, all have been fine once properly fettled*. They range from a monster 2.5 TPI Diston Rip to an 12 TPI Tyzack panel saw. Functionally little has changed in the manufacture of them since the heyday of S&J, Disston, Tyzack and Sandvik, so if not totally wrecked an old saw should be as good as a new one.

*I've only had two kinked ones which needed straightened, which is not an easy process... If using the hammer and anvil method then the absolute minimum amount of force needs to be applied, lest you mar the plate with dents.

Once you get used to it saw sharpening is quite simple and a little bit meditative, takes practice to do quickly though. If you can cultivate the skill, resharpenable saws are the way forward.

I actually don't have much love for the much venerated Disstons saws however; my Favourites are a 30" S&J 3TPI thumbhole Rip saw and a 24” 7TPI Tyzack Non-paraeil Handsaw (crosscut).


On the topic of new saws, £140 for a LN seems awful steep!
Thomas Flinn & Co. charges around £90 for their high-end saws, down to a reasonable £45ish for their equally good but less elegantly finished range of handsaws.
For £140 I'd be contacting Lui at Springwood about having one made specifically to meet my needs.
 
I see no reason to buy new saws...

All these were £3 or less.

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BugBear
 
http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/index.html
Will tell you all you need to know, regarding Disston saws.
Main question, is the saw tooth line straight, no wobbles from side to side?
Was it made before or after 1950? Big difference in quality. Before good, after so so.
Be very careful cleaning the blade, the etch will disappear easily.

Bod
 
Thank for all the input and links.

I buy my sharpening files from Classic Hand Tools. I tend to buy my Veritas stuff from there. They do a good range of files for different tpi last sensible prices. Handles are good too and they process orders quickly, plus the site is easy to navigate.

I will post up what the saws are like when they arrive. At £11 each this is very cheap so it is just an experiment really. I have no idea of the age currently. The seller told me in a Q&A that he believed them to be pre WWII but I have no means of verifying that currently.
 
I bought a Disston saw from Bob's Toolbox in Liskeard.
I cleaned it up, dated it to 1940 -1947 and found a name stamped on the back of the spine.
The previous owner was one of several brothers that ran Mashford's boatyard in Cremyll, Portsmouth - the boatyard made vessels for the RAF during WW2.

I made contact with a man related to the saw's previous owner who was a boatbuilder and later became M.D. of Mashfords.
He told me of a yacht, named 'Lone Star', that the company built in the early 1980's for an American customer.

The yacht has since circumnavigeted the world.

Facinating how a story can unfold.

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