Disappointing review of British tradesmen from Norm Abram

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Random Orbital Bob":1wyxwv49 said:
The yanks have been re-writing history in their favour (especially via Hollywood) for a very long time....he's just in the queue of many others. One that always stood out in my mind was whatever that film was called that depicted the cracking of the German Enigma code from WWII. The yanks claimed they had cracked it in that movie!!! I bet the polish and Bletchley Park were "not amused" to say the least!

Oh and don't even get me started on "saving Private Ryan" and how the septics single handedly rescued France!!!

Bob, you do realise this is Hollywood you're talking about? There really isn't a Batman or Superman or even a real Dark Knight....Hope I'm not upsetting you...:)

PS- but there might be a Keyser Soze.........
 
Noel":1rxrrzip said:
Bob, you do realise this is Hollywood you're talking about? There really isn't a Batman or Superman or even a real Dark Knight....Hope I'm not upsetting you...:)

PS- but there might be a Keyser Soze.........

Don't be daft next you'll be saying Fozzie Bear is not real.
 
doctor Bob":6x6qs59p said:
Noel":6x6qs59p said:
Bob, you do realise this is Hollywood you're talking about? There really isn't a Batman or Superman or even a real Dark Knight....Hope I'm not upsetting you...:)

PS- but there might be a Keyser Soze.........

Don't be daft next you'll be saying Fozzie Bear is not real.

Now that would be silly, many of the muppets subscribe to this forum! :D
 
And I saw Batman at a party the other week,, but at the end I don"t think he could of flown !!,,although thinking about it,,,maybe
 
beech1948":3dxwfjuy said:
One is left to ask "What special relationship".

The US is simply a bully with a legal system run by bullies, with armed forces praised beyond their capability. Its time to say no to the US and their interference.

Al

I still like you. Did you forget your nice pills this morning? I was raised to believe British men were gentlemen. Please don't prove me wrong,

Travis :mrgreen:
 
Back to the original comments, everyone would like to believe that the British tradesman is honest, hardworking and very capable, but I've seen and worked with more than a few that I wouldn't allow to work on my house - and indeed a few that I wouldn't even allow in my house. It's not difficult to find them, although they are in a minority.
 
I watched the original Norm talk end-to-end a while ago.

He says it all started when they thought it would be good to film some house renovations/conversions. The NYW came later. He comes across as a pretty straight guy, too.

I'm ambivalent about the comments about UK tradesmen. Working in central London (which they were) is very atypical. For a start access and everything else about a site is difficult, and very expensive. People don't work there for the love of it. It's decades since I helped out my uncle doing property renovation in West London, but my memory of it is that tradesmen (and the merchants too) were sharp, and not in a nice way. That's not how it's done in the US, except in the cities. That said, if you've got a 90 minute commute to get home to see the kids (on the tube, with your hand tools), and something isn't finished at knocking off time through no fault of yours, you're
not going to be inspired to hang on for unpaid overtime. I've worked in the TV business: they almost certainly didn't have the right 'fixer' or one when they needed three (or whatever).

The other thing is that he's being just a bit disingenuous. Union power is still very strong over there, in pockets, with all the excesses that implies. I've run into them too, working on trade shows, and was struck how unnecessarily unpleasant it all was. There, the union card is everything, and obviously some are obtained without the qualifications. I've seen some really irresponsible work practices, with lethal potential, from people who were telling me not to do stuff because I was non-union.

My guess is they'd be just as bad in the construction industry, especially if he tried to film a show in a big city over there, with a low budget, and they didn't recognise him.

E.
 
British tradesmen often have to work for people who would have them over given half a chance,,,,,,,sometimes the the customers are a lot less upstanding than ourselves...
 
joethedrummer":fh92rs0l said:
British tradesmen often have to work for people who would have them over given half a chance,,,,,,,sometimes the the customers are a lot less upstanding than ourselves...

Correct
 
Eric The Viking":3q09u13z said:
The other thing is that he's being just a bit disingenuous. Union power is still very strong over there, in pockets, with all the excesses that implies. I've run into them too, working on trade shows, and was struck how unnecessarily unpleasant it all was. There, the union card is everything, and obviously some are obtained without the qualifications. I've seen some really irresponsible work practices, with lethal potential, from people who were telling me not to do stuff because I was non-union.

Yeah. America manages to have both extremes. Dramatic employee abuse in "at will" states, and ludicrous Spanish Practices in unionized industries.

BugBear
 
bugbear":3d1bz8hz said:
Eric The Viking":3d1bz8hz said:
The other thing is that he's being just a bit disingenuous. Union power is still very strong over there, in pockets, with all the excesses that implies. I've run into them too, working on trade shows, and was struck how unnecessarily unpleasant it all was. There, the union card is everything, and obviously some are obtained without the qualifications. I've seen some really irresponsible work practices, with lethal potential, from people who were telling me not to do stuff because I was non-union.

Yeah. America manages to have both extremes. Dramatic employee abuse in "at will" states, and ludicrous Spanish Practices in unionized industries.

BugBear

AH! But as a democracy that's their right! :mrgreen:

Jim
 

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