Diamond Stones: You CAN Go Pretty Low...

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If it's got a hollow, it'll belly your blade one way or the other. Neither of which you want on a bench tool.

If you wanted to do the final polishing and take the burr off on another fine stone which was flat, then I suppose this might be of some limited use. But I wouldn't call that a glowing recommendation.

If you want to sharpen your chisels and plane irons, there are better cheap options when it comes to bench stones.
 
Maybe but until you've tried one how do you know? I have a couple of Japanese waterstones. I flatten them once every 2 or 3 months!
Doesn't bother me. Anyway, I might buy one of these diamond stones just for doing card scrapers.
 
I know because the review linked to in the original post said these stones weren't suitable for working on the backs of plane irons and chisels.

So I figure you might as well get one that is.
 
Jason":39wweu57 said:
I know because the review linked to in the original post said these stones weren't suitable for working on the backs of plane irons and chisels.

So I figure you might as well get one that is.

That's actually my review. I think you misinterpret it... I meant that it's not able to lap tools perfectly flat, but is good enough for removing the burr after sharpening the bevel.
 
I know it's your review. And I think, from a hand tools perspective, it should count against this product that it's not suitable for many of the basic tasks that a wood worker using bench tools like chisels and planes would typically expect a sharpening stone to do. So I'm wondering where you think the value is? It seems very poor value to me. Maybe it's okay for tiny edges like router bits perhaps...

For what it's worth, my experience of diamond stones (I use them a lot) is that they cut incredibly quickly when you don't want them to. They need to be engineered flat - if they're not they'll ruin your edges and irons before you know it.
 
They don't need to be flat. I've just measured the amount of dish along the length of my Japanese waterstone. It's 0.5 mm's concave along it's 8 inch length. It's also convex across the width. That would be considered huge by some people. I've just sharpened 2 Chisels and 3 Plane irons with it. It's simply not an issue or a problem. They were shaving hairs freely, such that I couldn't feel the hairs being cut. No 'grab' that you sometimes get with a blade that can cut hairs but not as freely as it should do.
I've had my waterstones nearly 15 years and have never flattened them on a regular basis.
The fact that the particular diamond stone in question isn't engineered flat will not prevent it from sharpening woodworking tools, and I very much doubt that it's as far off as my waterstones. In fact the reviewer of the Trend stone states that it's a relatively minor issue, which is why he gives the stone a good review.
 
I just noticed this 'diamond stone cleaning block', http://www.trendproductsonline.co.uk/tr ... 2961-p.asp

It looks suspiciously like a standard vinyl pencil eraser, does anybody use one? Does anybody have a problem with diamond stones clogging? I was just wondering if some of the stories of diamond stones losing their cutting power is down to lack of cleaning?
 
KevM":1ndudec2 said:
I just noticed this 'diamond stone cleaning block', http://www.trendproductsonline.co.uk/tr ... 2961-p.asp

It looks suspiciously like a standard vinyl pencil eraser, does anybody use one? Does anybody have a problem with diamond stones clogging? I was just wondering if some of the stories of diamond stones losing their cutting power is down to lack of cleaning?

What's wrong with water and oil... Well lubricated stones should never clog.
Why would they make that? It's not like they can get much money from selling that...
 
No idea, hence the question! For my diamond and water stones I've always used some water with honerite gold in a squirt bottle - if the stone looks grubby I take it in the kitchen and give it a scrub with a scotchbrite pad and some Jif.
 
Kev I cant speak for what trend have in there pic but I do use a normal pencil rubber and it does clean the stone. When I`v cleaned old chisels or plane irons the stone can really get blocked up I put it under running water and with a small wire brush just give it a good seeing to cleans it up no bother, well it works for me.

When it comes to cleaning oil stones I just put mine in the dish washer it cuts a lot better afterwards.
As for oil I give up using it washing up liquid cut thin with water works for me. Billy.
 
Dishwasher? I can't even begin to imagine the reaction I'd get for trying that. Interesting that you use a pencil eraser, I'll try it next time my stone gets loaded up. Kev
 
As long as the stone is dry, pencil eraser works very well. (as far as I can tell the trend cleaning block that comes with their stones is a common or garden pencil eraser repurposed)

There's more to sharpening than shaving hairs off your arms mignal. Some of us like the backs of our plane blades to mate accurately with the cap iron so shavings don't clog. Many like the backs of their chisels to reference the surface when pairing. It's not going to be the end of the world if you're chopping mortices or shaving your arms perhaps, but plenty of hand tool woodworkers will consider a decent standard of flatness to be basic functionality.

To be sure, I think the review is very fair. It sharpens, it's not flat. But my take therefore is that many hand tool woodworkers would do well to be a bit more fussy with diamond stones. Flatness is useful. Indeed, one of the great advantages of diamond stones is that they provide a stable surface for lapping that doesn't go out of true. Assuming it's true to start with.

I think woodworkers who's budget might not extend to flatter diamond stones would be better saving up some more or using natural stones which you can flatten yourself. And I'd hate to think that someone on a tight budget would waste cash on something that's not as useful for them as it could be because it's been recommended enthusiastically here. You don't need to spend big bucks to work wood, but that doesn't mean you don't need to be a bit savvy.

That said, you'll get an edge that cuts. But you'd probably get that from an even cheaper stone too.
 
I've received the same diamond stone linked at the beginning of this thread.
Perhaps I was fortunate but my stone is as flat as any of the flat lot would want it. Across the width it is extremely good. Just a touch of concavity/convexity along it's length, and I mean a touch. No way will that adversely affect the sharpening of a Plane blade. Not that you can't sharpen a Plane blade on a stone much worse than this, contrary to what Jason states. I've yet to see a shaving clog any of my chipbreakers ( I think I have 10 of them) and my stones are dished!!
I bought this stone because my borrowed coarse oil stone has to be returned to it's owner. I have plenty of medium/fine stones including Arkansas, Norton Oil, Slate and King waterstones but not one that could be described as coarse. I think this combination stone is 360/600 G. It seems to cut very well. No complaints. As I stated previously though, the real test will be whether it's still cutting well in a few years time.
 
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