couple of wood ID's please

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Tusses

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1st one is from an old edwarian wardrobe. ( I like to rescue any wood I can)

1 st pic planed - 2nd pic with a wipe of white spirits

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ok - this second one is oak - again rescued from old furniture. In this case circa 1920

on the big peice is new French oak as a comparison. the 'pink' peice is what I want ID'ing - or an explanation as to why it is pink ! ? While we are on it - what does English brown oak look like ?

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Not sure about the first, but the second is probably American red oak.
 
Slim":1qd1ymd3 said:
Not sure about the first, but the second is probably American red oak.

I wondered that . would that fit with the manufacture date in this country ? were we importing red oak cheaply then ?
 
I thought the first pic looked like pitch pine,but you can usually tell by the distinctive smell.
 
Looks a little pink in the picture. If it's a hardwood it could be steamed pear. The grain looks about right for it.
 
Unfortunately your images are too out of focus and too overexposed for me to help you with an identification of the woods you asked about, apart from being able to see that two are oaks of some sort, and the other might be parana pine as someone else suggested, but it could be almost anything.

In response to your secondary question I'm including something on brown oak below. Slainte.

Tusses":3o0gmtgt said:
While we are on it - what does English brown oak look like ?

Brown oak is the result of infection by Fistulina hepatica in a live tree. Beefsteak fungus or ox-tongue fungus are the common names for this fungus. A large fruiting body of the fungus does look remarkably like a large red brown tongue sticking out of a mouth; and this is a sure sign of infection. The fungus usually infects the tree through a large wound such as those found after pruning a sizeable branch or at the ragged torn site of a fallen limb. This fungus infects other tree species such as the sweet chestnut, Castanea sativa, with similar results.

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The bracket like fruiting body of the Beef Steak or Ox-tongue fungus that causes brown oak.

It takes some years for the distinctive colour to develop and felling the tree at the right time is the key to getting a large quantity of usable brown wood. Felling the tree too late results in soft, degraded and unusable timber. Americans have the attractive phrase ‘punky’ to describe ‘decorative’ rots that are so severe that the wood is too soft to use any more. Keeping the log in the round for a few years after felling emphasises or darkens the colour. Brown oak shouldn’t be used for structural parts in demanding situations. Generally brown oak is somewhat more expensive than uninfected oak and it’s my experience that it’s generally used sparingly, eg, for table or cabinet tops, for door frames or, conversely, as door panels.

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A European brown oak board below a piece of uninfected European oak. The difference in colour is quite striking.

In use I’ve always found brown oak somehow slightly greasy to the touch, and compared to uninfected oak of the same species, it’s softer and easier to work with both machines and hand tools. The greasiness I’ve noticed probably explains why sawmills converting the wood into planks usually have to clean the blade frequently. One other notable characteristic of brown oak is its lightness compared to uninfected material. Typically a cubic foot of European oak dried to about 10% MC weighs approximately 45 lbs/ft³. A piece of brown oak weighs less; how much less is an indication of how far the infection has spread and can give a rough suggestion of how much strength has been lost.

In my experience the rich colour of brown oak seems to fade within a few years and over ten years or so it becomes harder to spot the differences between it and uninfected oak.

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A close up taken in 2008 of a cabinet I made in the early 1980’s. The glazed door frame is brown oak which sits inside an opening made of uninfected English oak. Over the first ten years the uninfected straw coloured oak darkened and the dark chocolate brown door frame lightened in colour. There are still visible differences, but they are much harder to spot now, roughly 25 years after construction.

Tiger oak is fairly certainly an early stage infection by the beef steak fungus and results in darker brown stripes interspersed with the lighter colours. Alternative names are streaky oak, and I’ve even heard it described as stripey oak.

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An early infection result of the beef steak fungus in European oak.
 
dennis":2q7gl8cq said:
Tusses

The first looks much like parana pine.

Dennis

I <think> I'd go with that too. Definitely not pitch pine, which is much more orange than pink, but maybe steamed beech.
I made a bed for my daughter from Parana, and it has exactly that pinkish tinge and wide figure.
Don't know how long the smell of Parana lasts, but it smells strongly of carrots when being worked :D
 
Another vote for parana pine although little surprised at it cropping up in Edwardian furniture when there would be so many native woods around to use and imported timber more expensive than today in real terms.

I don't really go for the beech suggestion as it does not seem to show the flecks I'm used to seeing in beech - unless steaming makes those less visible.

Bob
 
Thanks for that brown oak lesson ! very interesting .

back to the wardrobe.

I sanded down the inside panel. some pics dry and wiped with white spirits.

Overall the wood goes a golden colour with the distinct stripes of darker wood. further down the panel it gets quite red - but I have my phone plugged into my pc so I cant take a pics of that at the mo. As a scale refernce - the panel is just over 14" wide. . The grain/pores are extreemly tight abd it cuts very cleanly with a chisel.

Looking at the pics I thought it might be a veneer - so I went back to double check ! its solid wood.

All pics are off my camera phone as I{ dont have a seperate camera sorry.

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I love these 'name that wood' jobbies.........I've never seen 70 year old Sycamore before, but I'd almost lay a bet that's what the first and latest piccy's are.

How on earth did Pitch Pine and Brown Oak creep into this conversation ? ( OK I see the Brown Oak reference now) ...as for American Red Oak I too would be a bit dubious as to whether we bothered to import it in the '20's.

What part of the Wardrobe did these unidentified bits come from ?

Chris.
 
ok - I set my colour setting on the cameraphone for indoor lighting, and I gave a quick wipe with danish oil

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and closer

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and of a split peice I made up a sample - with and without danish oil

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by the way - a couple of 'the other camp' are saying parana pine so that is the most popular so far
 
parana pine seems to be the most popular guess now.

is it considered a 'fine' wood ?

how do I find out for sure ?
 
its used for stairs alot, has a very even texture and paints well. colour varies alot , not really a cabinet making wood. i would say if you like it use it.
:)
 
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