Coronavirus

[DrPhill]

Here is an interesting graphical tool developed at Oxford university.... it helps to explain the reasons for the social isolation and distancing policy we are all, hopefully, pursuing:

http://epidemicforecasting.org

 

[FatmanG]

Very well-researched piece on TV this morning regarding home deliveries. Basically forget being over-70. Forget it if you have mild asthma. You need to have one of these illnesses to qualify and this website is the ONLY route to getting on the supermarket priority list for home deliveries.

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable

im registered there roger however they just send you a local number to call they offer you someone to collect your meds or do your shopping however if you have only card and no cash then they offer you a food parcel no mention of priority supermarket list.

 

[Andy Kev.]

......I'm hoping my wife doesn't die.........

Me too. She's really not well.

Quite. Had the paramedics out to my wife last night.

I keep hoping for an improvement but it's awfully slow in coming.

I do wish you and your wife all the best and as swift as possible a recovery for her.

 

[RogerS]

Very well-researched piece on TV this morning regarding home deliveries. Basically forget being over-70. Forget it if you have mild asthma. You need to have one of these illnesses to qualify and this website is the ONLY route to getting on the supermarket priority list for home deliveries.

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable

im registered there roger however they just send you a local number to call they offer you someone to collect your meds or do your shopping however if you have only card and no cash then they offer you a food parcel no mention of priority supermarket list.

Two separate issues there. The first - what you've experienced is as it is now and will continue. But the second - and for many just a tad important - is, as I wrote in the post, this list will be passed onto the supermarkets. No idea when. But the important thing is to be on that list.

 

[FatmanG]

thanks i didnt know that

 

[MusicMan]

One feels so powerless, and saying that our thoughts are with you is a copout. But know that you will have all the support you can get on this forum, Mike, and all in a similar position.

 

[Droogs]

The list is for England only the other home countries have separate links

links page here

https://coronavirus-vulnerable-people.s ... le-england

 

[MikeG.]

does anybody have any thoughts about how the testing should be done?..........

Why would you ask us, Robin? Why would you have any thoughts on the matter? Are you a virologist? Are we virologists, or epidemiologists? This isn't a subject for idle speculation by those who know nothing of the specialisms involved. This is for our world leading medical researchers and so on. You may as well ask for our speculation on the way SE Asian jungle fowl react to stress hormones, for instance. The only possible outcome is to stir up heat whilst shedding no light. The world in which everyone thinks they have a valid viewpoint on all sorts of subjects of which they have precisely zero knowledge is the world of internet tittle tattle, and nothing whatever to do with reality.

 

[RobinBHM]

does anybody have any thoughts about how the testing should be done?..........

Why would you ask us, Robin? Why would you have any thoughts on the matter? Are you a virologist? Are we virologists, or epidemiologists? This isn't a subject for idle speculation by those who know nothing of the specialisms involved. This is for our world leading medical researchers and so on. You may as well ask for our speculation on the way SE Asian jungle fowl react to stress hormones, for instance. The only possible outcome is to stir up heat whilst shedding no light. The world in which everyone thinks they have a valid viewpoint on all sorts of subjects of which they have precisely zero knowledge is the world of internet tittle tattle, and nothing whatever to do with reality.

I don't understand the reason for the confrontational response.
Why so aggressive?
I think you need to calm down a bit.

what you are saying is you don't think it is acceptable for anybody to discuss, debate or express an opinion on anything unless they are a world leading expert.

In any case the premise of your argument is wrong. The purpose of debate is not simply to express uninformed opinions, it is the opportunity for a group of people to bring forward their own research and insight to share for wider discussion -much of which will originate from the world leading experts

There are many extremely intelligent people contributing to this thread, any number of those may have an insight into the testing regime.

 

[MikeG.]

.......I don't understand the reason for the confrontational response.
Why so aggressive?
I think you need to calm down a bit...........

Could you highlight the words in my post which you think are aggressive or confrontational?

Then perhaps instead of questioning my attitude you might consider answering the question. What possible insight could we give into designing a testing programme or interpreting the results? In the meantime, I'm really interested in your views into the fluid dynamics inside gas turbines, because I worry that the experts might not have considered the differing thermal environments in which they have to operate.

 

[Jake]

Best of luck to those struggling to shake this off.

Taking a slightly more gentle approach to interpreting Robin's post, he may be asking if anyone has anything informative to contribute gleaned from Guinea Fowl (or whatever) experts, as opposed to their own theoretical musings.

Edit: oh sorry, I see he then said this himself.

 

[AES]

I have to say that apart from wishing MikeG and his family "get well soon" - plus any other members affected of course - (as MM says, those are totally inadequate words to express a sincere wish/hope), I've decided to bow out of this thread.

It's already got rather near to the "state" of that infamous "B" thread that we had a while back, but with the help of some IMO sensible moderation, plus the absence of our much missed (NOT!) "Resident Troll", it hasn't quite lowered itself to that level - despite the attempts of several "Jacob wannabees" - not yet anyway.

While I do appreciate the value of informed debate, on here as anywhere else, there are IMO some subjects which are so complex that those who aren't trained in whatever specialisation we're discussing actually hold "opinions and ideas" which are, to all intents and purposes, quite valueless. Such expressions of opinion are actually either based on the 99% of drivel that can be picked up by anyone on "the media"; and/or on a a mixture of pre-existing prejudices - mainly political of course - held by the individual poster.

As I've already said, I see precisely NIL purpose in discussing "why are where we where we are now?"; NOR comparing one particular country's responses/lack thereof with wherever "home" is for us all now. As also said before, I don't see this as a matter for comparing the number of Gold medals "we've" won (Olympics), or the number of goals scored by "our" World Cup football team.

And sorry to say, some of the ideas expressed here about the "value" of the NHS compared with other "privatised" health systems are clearly based purely on hearsay and prejudice, NOT on practical experience - to the extent that they're just not worth commenting on.

This whole thread has become a complete waste of time and energy IMO, and not only does it do "us" no good at all - arguably, even some harm from the depression standpoint - but also will NOT change a single thing in the real world. So why bother?

As someone has also already said, the whole thread is just going round and round in circles and just isn't getting anywhere

So as above, I've now unsubscribed from this thread, and will now stick to the more "useful" threads on here - even the "A bit of calm" thread has only "degenerated" into gardening stuff (and I NEVER thought I'd ever find THAT at least "acceptable")! ;-)

Have fun all, see you all elsewhere no doubt - and as above, all the best to anyone who's actually contracted this miserable disease (or unfortunately will do so).

 

[MusicMan]

Yes, there are plenty of highly intelligent members here. If they feel that they can seriously contribute, they will surely be offering their suggestions and services through their learned societies, universities, companies etc. (as I am myself) not through a woodworking forum. I agree with MikeG and I don't intend to be confrontational either.

 

[Droogs]

A well informed interview held by Joe Rogen yesterday with a leading US epidemiologist working on respiratory vaccines, in fact the Dean of the US tropical medicines uni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Q53KWZFMU

 

[sploo]

A well informed interview held by Joe Rogen yesterday with a leading US epidemiologist working on respiratory vaccines, in fact the Dean of the US tropical medicines uni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Q53KWZFMU

Got it running in the background. About 40m through. Very good isn't it.

 

[D_W]

.......I don't understand the reason for the confrontational response.
Why so aggressive?
I think you need to calm down a bit...........

Could you highlight the words in my post which you think are aggressive or confrontational?

Then perhaps instead of questioning my attitude you might consider answering the question. What possible insight could we give into designing a testing programme or interpreting the results? In the meantime, I'm really interested in your views into the fluid dynamics inside gas turbines, because I worry that the experts might not have considered the differing thermal environments in which they have to operate.

The implication is that insight will come from here and go into the outside world? When has that happened?

You would only need someone introduced to statistics to suppose something workable for testing, but it would not have been done at this point not because it's not legitimate, but because the testing criteria thus far have been designed to match the number of tests available. There are deaths in italy not even being tested. My point would be that I could propose something pretty effective in terms of testing if the number of tests was actually large enough to cover more than symptomatic and exposed individuals.

But what would be the point?

We actually had some randomized testing here locally to determine the level of community spread, and it tests as a low amount here. Nearly all of the positive results have come from people with a known exposure. But that's here, and New York City would be much different.

There are a lot of different angles people want to take with the supposition about who gets tested and how (from folks decrying the lack of knowledge about positive people spreading more to others who just want to say "see, look how many people have tested positive, it's not that deadly"). It's not a pointless thing to discuss, but it's a pointless thing to discuss when there's no tests available to even do it.

 

[D_W]

one other side comment - I mentioned the community study here. It was done by a health system to gauge the expected swell in cases.

Before you even test with limited testing available, you have to know what you're testing for. Someone asking how a test should be designed will first have to say what the goal is, or what you're hoping to learn from the results.

 

[D_W]

There are many extremely intelligent people contributing to this thread, any number of those may have an insight into the testing regime.

I'm sure there are some actuaries or statisticians in the thread somewhere, or at least reading.

 

[Jake]

A well informed interview held by Joe Rogen yesterday with a leading US epidemiologist working on respiratory vaccines, in fact the Dean of the US tropical medicines uni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Q53KWZFMU

Got it running in the background. About 40m through. Very good isn't it.

I normally cannot stand video as a medium or Youtube as a whole, but that was really interesting.

 

[Droogs]

It says a lot about our news media when it takes a part time UFC mixed martial arts comedian to actually have a proper interview with the time taken to have full rounded answers and explanations. But Joe does have some very interesting people on his shows at times and they can be up to 3hrs long - perfect for long journeys or parked on yer arssse for chemo