Confused over different kitchen hinge types

[The Bear]

Hi

I am trying to change the hinges on a cupboard to kitchen style. I had some blums I was given and tried to use them but I think they are the wrong type as I cant clip the door on even when wound right out.

The door is for a cupboard with a face frame, although the inside edge of the face frame is flush with the inside of the cupboard thank to a block I've now installed. Here's a pic

I've looked at the Issac Lord site but still can't work out what I need. Please can someone link me to the correct page for the blums I need for this senario.

Hope that makes sense.

Mark

 

[Alex]

Are these inset doors, not overlay? Looks like inset in which case depending how thick you doors are you'll need cranked hinge and spaced back plate. If the doors are over 22mm thick you'll need 40mm cup hinges or back to butt hinge.
oh one other thing can you clip hinge to back plate with them off door, just thinking might have back plate wrong way round.

 

[JonnyD]

the type of hinge i think you need is the bottom one here the one with 18mm crank http://www.rutlands.co.uk/cabinet-hardw ... top-hinges

The mounting plate should be fixed the thickness of the door plus 37mm from the front edge of the cabinet.

cheers

jon

 

[The Bear]

Yes the doors are inset not overlay. The doors are 18mm thick. They are the correct way round, the problem is they bind on the face frame

So I need cranked hinges for this, is there a specific mounting plate that I need for this?

Mark

 

[jasonB]

The plates you have will work with blum clip & cliptop inset hinges

From Isacc Lord you want teh third one down the page 75T1750

http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/productDetai ... t=5/366/67

 

[Alex]

Mark have you got a pic of your hinge? Also can you measure distance from edge of door to edge of 35mm hole you've made in door?
Both the above links for cranked hinges are good but if you don't want to spend more money you can fit another 18mm block of wood to bring plate out enough for your overlay hinge to work.

 

[The Bear]

Guys

I followed Jason's link and have the correct inset hinges now. As for laying them out, how far back from the front edge should the plates be set and how far in from the edge of the door should the 35mm holes be drilled?
The doors are 18mm think, which I assume makes a difference - is there a "standard formula" for working out where to put them?

Mark

 

[The Bear]

And on a slightly different note how do I change the title of this thread?

Mark

 

[gav]

The blum catalogue found at http://www.blum.com/hk/en/01/99/index.php gives all the layout details for the various hinges etc.

Gav

 

[The Bear]

Gav

For someone who struggled with finding the right hinge, thats a bit hard to understand I'm afraid. I think p86 is the correct page.

From what I can see for the door, the centre of my 35mm hole needs to be 20.5 to 23.5 mm from the edge??? so probably 22mm??

Can't really understand how far the mounting plate should be back from the front though.

Sorry if I'm being thick

Mark

 

[jasonB]

For inset doors you add the standard 37mm hole distance to the door thickness so in your case the hinge plate screws will be set back 55mm (37 +18 )

The hole position is a bit more trial and error as it depends on several factors such as gap between door & frame, door thickness, corner radius of door if any, etc. I suggest you set two hinges onto a bit of board and use another bit as a dummy door, only needs to be wide enough to take the hinge, start with 5mm between edge of door and edge of hole so that puts your 35mm hole centre22.5mm from door edge.

Jason

PS you are not being thick, thos etables are hard to understand

 

[LocalOak]

If you want to fit this type of hinge there are two fantastic threads in the jigs and tips forum. This is the first https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums...nners-part-i-t36107.html?highlight=euro hinge and this is the second https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums...nners-part-ii-t36108.html?highlight=beginners

I followed them to put lots of cupboard doors on, both overlay and inset, and they came out perfectly. Excellent descriptions and many thanks to Niki for doing the threads.

 

[The Bear]

Thanks Jason and LocalOak (and Niki), much clearer.

Mark

 

[ondablade]

Something like a Hafele or a Hettich catalogue has drawings of lots of hinge types.....