Complete cast iron tooled workshop for sale
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mel
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thanks byron
nice "heads up"
nice "heads up"
Chris Knight
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Looks like it's all lived a very hard life!
DomValente
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Seems to be some nice kit there, as Byron said, if you know what you're doing and can pay the right price you've got a bargain.
Dom
Dom
OllyK
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I could be wrong, but it looks like there's some shill / test bidding going on!
mel
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olly K . what brings you to that conclusion ????
looking through the machinery on their , there is one piece that i would have particulally been interested in .
if i was setting up my workshop again , and finances permitted
i would go for it
look at it this way , if each machine fetched a mere £200 each {average}
then it would only be £1400
money well spent IMHO
water head , these machines were built for a hard life
by comparison with newer modern machines . their is no comparison
looking through the machinery on their , there is one piece that i would have particulally been interested in .
if i was setting up my workshop again , and finances permitted
i would go for it
look at it this way , if each machine fetched a mere £200 each {average}
then it would only be £1400
money well spent IMHO
water head , these machines were built for a hard life
by comparison with newer modern machines . their is no comparison
A
Anonymous
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If I was starting out again equipping a workshop that's just the type of job lot I'd dream of finding!
What does anyone think it'll go for? I reckon someone will get it all for £1000 - £1500. That would be a real bargain for single phase cast iron stuff.
Cheers
Virgil
What does anyone think it'll go for? I reckon someone will get it all for £1000 - £1500. That would be a real bargain for single phase cast iron stuff.
Cheers
Virgil
ByronBlack
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Put it this way, if I didn't opt for the rusty lyndhurst, I would be sorely tempted to have a chinwag with the bank manager about purchasing this little lot, even if it was a clean-up and re-sell there is some profit to be had, and some cracking machines. He does say he would consider selling separately if the auction doesn't go well - I may well keep this in mind as I have my beady eye on a couple of the products.
wrightclan
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ByronBlack":2af3c2dn said:
Sounds like you may have to extend your new workshop. :lol: :lol: Never big enough. :wink:
Brad
mel
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the bidding appears to be going very well , wonder what the reserve is ??
first time i looked it was at 99p
the wadkin band saw is not a wadkin , however it is green :roll: :roll:
come on scrit lets have your input .
first time i looked it was at 99p
the wadkin band saw is not a wadkin , however it is green :roll: :roll:
come on scrit lets have your input .
A
Anonymous
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Blimey,
Bidding's up to £310 with a week to go! Looks like it's going to fetch more than I thought!
Incidentally, why does anyone ever place bids on ebay so early? I buy loads of stuff but NEVER place a bid until there's about two minutes to go.
Why show your hand?
Cheers
Virgil
Bidding's up to £310 with a week to go! Looks like it's going to fetch more than I thought!
Incidentally, why does anyone ever place bids on ebay so early? I buy loads of stuff but NEVER place a bid until there's about two minutes to go.
Why show your hand?
Cheers
Virgil
OllyK
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mel":236ued7f said:
Seems things have changed a bit on eBay, you used to be able to see the username of the bidders, seems you now just get "Bidder 1", "Bidder 2" etc. It used to be a while back that people would create a load of bogus accounts such as "Bidder 1" with no feedback etc and bid the auction up. Has this changed as part of the new feedback that eBAY are doing?
tonybaloni
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Olly, they do this now for any auction over £100. It was to stop all the dodgy second chance offers that were being sent out.
Tony
Tony
mel
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things have certainly changed on ebay , not really for the better thou
you can have as many accounts as you like on their
so technically you can bid up your own item
which begs the question , do they check your IP address ??
ebays dispute procedure is a farse as well . so i can only assume that all they want is your money and not your problems
it was a nice place to do business about 4yrs ago ,
im very wary now , and only buy from long established members
just my twopennorth
mel
you can have as many accounts as you like on their
so technically you can bid up your own item
which begs the question , do they check your IP address ??
ebays dispute procedure is a farse as well . so i can only assume that all they want is your money and not your problems
it was a nice place to do business about 4yrs ago ,
im very wary now , and only buy from long established members
just my twopennorth
mel
A point to note might be the weight of this stuff. The Wilson P/T for example is over 1/2 tonne (so a bit heavier than your Lyndhurst, Byron - cast iron frame, you see). So if you're interested in bidding I'd suggest budgeting £500 or more to get a machinery mover in - you'll need one!
On the other stuff: the table saw looks like a Startrite TA/SP275 (12in) which I'm sure Wrightclan could comment on, the Multico mortiser appears to be a K1 (predecessor to the M1), so at least 40 years old, the pedestal drill is a Startrite Mercury drill (noted for their short-lived bearings, see other recent posts), the Cooksley spindle is a later one with a sheet metal base which makes it heavier than a modern Chaiwanese model but I personally don't think they are as good as the smaller Sedgwick spindles. That Wilson planer/thicknesser is called a PAK and has tables which are "1196mm long". Despite looking like a sheet metal machine the frame is all cast iron and the tables are the modern parallelogram movement type rather than the much inferior gib and ways systems found in every Far Eastern import seen these days, but those tables are fixed, i.e they do not fold out of the way for thicknessing. And where's the guard gone? Wilson Brothers of Leeds were established in 1851 and went out of business about 10 to 12 years back. In the 1960s they made some exceptionally modern machines, in some ways well ahead of Wadkin, but then Robinson and White did as well and they're also both long gone, now. Unfortunately Wilson's never really captured the market they deserved. What I would say about all this stuff is that it seems to show signs of poor treatment over and above being left idle for 3 years - the Wilson PAK for example is painted (inappropriately) in Wadkin's post 1999 blue/grey yet seems a bit tatty and mistreated for all that). As all of the manufacturers are long gone (so forget about trying to get spares, you're on your own) it would probably be wise to visit and check the stuff out for yourself before placing a bid, especially as this is a bit more than a Transit van's worth
Scrit
The bandsaw is an Wadkin Tradesmen - which makes it either a cheap Brazillian import (made by Invicta) or possibly one of the low-cost jobbies made by Evenwood (who eventually became part of Wadkin). Either way not exactly brilliant quality and certainly not in the same league as the normal Wadkin/Bursgreen stuff. Wadkin Agencies were flogging this stuff in the 1970s and early 1980s by trading on the wadkin name and reputation. All it did was to reduce the value of the name in many people's eyes as the kit was in general poorly made, poorly finished and overall sub-standard.mel":23r0hy6r said:
On the other stuff: the table saw looks like a Startrite TA/SP275 (12in) which I'm sure Wrightclan could comment on, the Multico mortiser appears to be a K1 (predecessor to the M1), so at least 40 years old, the pedestal drill is a Startrite Mercury drill (noted for their short-lived bearings, see other recent posts), the Cooksley spindle is a later one with a sheet metal base which makes it heavier than a modern Chaiwanese model but I personally don't think they are as good as the smaller Sedgwick spindles. That Wilson planer/thicknesser is called a PAK and has tables which are "1196mm long". Despite looking like a sheet metal machine the frame is all cast iron and the tables are the modern parallelogram movement type rather than the much inferior gib and ways systems found in every Far Eastern import seen these days, but those tables are fixed, i.e they do not fold out of the way for thicknessing. And where's the guard gone? Wilson Brothers of Leeds were established in 1851 and went out of business about 10 to 12 years back. In the 1960s they made some exceptionally modern machines, in some ways well ahead of Wadkin, but then Robinson and White did as well and they're also both long gone, now. Unfortunately Wilson's never really captured the market they deserved. What I would say about all this stuff is that it seems to show signs of poor treatment over and above being left idle for 3 years - the Wilson PAK for example is painted (inappropriately) in Wadkin's post 1999 blue/grey yet seems a bit tatty and mistreated for all that). As all of the manufacturers are long gone (so forget about trying to get spares, you're on your own) it would probably be wise to visit and check the stuff out for yourself before placing a bid, especially as this is a bit more than a Transit van's worth
Scrit
Benchwayze
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hiltsy":34va9ecb said:
Agreed... I decide what I am prepared to pay and if an item is still going for less, I wait until about 7 seconds, before I shove in my bid.
I don't lose much. Ask my Credit Card Company!!!
John
OllyK
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tonybaloni":26dfy7zp said:
Guess I should have read that email they sent me a couple of months back about forthcoming changes
Terry Smart
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I think this discussion has gone quite a bit off-topic and I'm afraid I'm not going to help it...
There are a couple of comments from people about only bidding at the last minute, but I don't get it, sorry.
When you place a bid on ebay it only goes up in the increments they set; if you bid £20 on an item that is at £3 it'll show your bid at £3.50 (for example). No-one but you (and maybe ebay) sees what your maximum bid is, so you're not 'showing your hand', merely expressing an interest.
Surely, if you have a price in mind for an item, you can bid that amount and wait to see if the price stays under your amount. If it goes above you can walk away; if you win all well and good. This also avoids getting outbid at the last second by 50 pence! If you keep to your original amount it doesn't encourage you to spend more than you would have anyway.
What am I missing?
There are a couple of comments from people about only bidding at the last minute, but I don't get it, sorry.
When you place a bid on ebay it only goes up in the increments they set; if you bid £20 on an item that is at £3 it'll show your bid at £3.50 (for example). No-one but you (and maybe ebay) sees what your maximum bid is, so you're not 'showing your hand', merely expressing an interest.
Surely, if you have a price in mind for an item, you can bid that amount and wait to see if the price stays under your amount. If it goes above you can walk away; if you win all well and good. This also avoids getting outbid at the last second by 50 pence! If you keep to your original amount it doesn't encourage you to spend more than you would have anyway.
What am I missing?
Terry Smart":1n4xmmtw said:
The other people involved.
Bidders are not entirely rational. If my max bid is £10, and I put that bid in three days before, the other bidder(s) have plenty of time to chip away at it. The other bidders will put in a bid for £3, then when they still outbid, a bid for £5, then £7, then £10.50 and it's gone beyond what I'm prepared to pay. Look at bidding wars, that is exactly what many people do, they bid in increments until they are "winning" the auction (actually no such thing, they are just the current high bidder, but that is how many bidders think, or at least behave). It's a bit irrational, but that is the way it is.
If you stay out of it until the very end, that guy sticks his first bid in of £3 and thinks of himself as the "winner" because he sees no-one coming in to challenge it. Whack in the max bid of £10 at auction end, and he has no time to retaliate - and you get the item for £4.
It only works because many people do not actually put in the maximum they are actually prepared to pay, because they don't think hard enough about the real value to them until they are no longer "winning" the item. And many people don't really get the auction process, they want it to work like a physical auction where the bidding carries on in competing increments until there's only one bidder left bidding. Because ebay auctions are ended by the time limit, not the other bidders dropping out, it doesn't work that way.
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