Competition

[wizer]

All good points

I am leaning towards not having an advanced/pro/expert section. Mainly because those turners don't seem to have responded and I think this compo should be about development. I think it should be Novice, Experienced and Pens. I really want to get the pen turners involved and I have had an offer of prize and judging from a pen equipment supplier.

To get the most amount of entries, I'd like to see a completely open theme. Anything goes. I understand the concept of regular compos where no prizes are given and there is a monthly or seasonly theme. Personally I view this compo as something different, a bit bigger. The aim is to get turners to think about what they want to turn and then see if they can achieve their goal. For more experienced turners, it's a chance to either push themselves to do something different or improve on something they already do.

To that end I'd like to see a design brief, as in the other compo. This will give you something to work to and help with the judging. I'd like for there to be a pair of judges for each category. Probably the retailer who is providing the prize and (hopefuly) one of our pros.

 

[duncanh]

More thoughts on using just a couple of judges -
1) it excludes them from the competition,
2) the judges will have to come to some sort of agreement on winners and such discussions may be difficult over the net and where you don't have a chance to inspect pieces closely

 

[Bodrighy]

At our club, every one gets one vote per category and it works on a simple most votes wins. Personally I think this would be the best bet as getting anyone to judge would be difficult under the circumstances. Up to Tom to sort out the logistics by the sound of it. If we have all the entries on a thread for a week and any votes are PM'd to Tom to count. How does this sound. If anyone feels the need for more or better photos of something then ask as some of us are not so hot at the photography, me incluuded.

Pete

 

[Scrums]

Sorry - not been on for a while, so not noticed this thread....

I'm in if you'll have me, but I think there should be some 'grades' of Turners - I'm professional in that I turn for a living, such as it is....though that doesn't automatically say anything about my standard of turning, others I know have other jobs and therefore aren't 'professional', though concentrate on much more decorative/artform work and do it much better than I ever could or would want to.

So....cat amongst the pigeons again ?

Chris.

 

[Jenx]

'Committ' officially on the other thread, Chris ... " Competition Entrants "

Magic. good lad :wink: :lol:

 

[wizer]

I think we'll end up having one judge per category for a couple of reasons. Mainly because as Duncan says, deliberation will be difficult over the web, especially if the judges don't know (or know of) each other.

I'm not keen on having the members vote. I think it should be down to a judge who has enough experience to comment. It removed the 'buddy' voting and more than anything it makes life a whole lot simpler.

Again, I am pretty much decided on having just Novice and Experienced. The pro turners have not expressed interest. When I post up the rules, I will explain the definition of Novice and Category, but I think it's fairly self explanatory.

I really don't think the quality of photographs should concern anyone. As long as it's on a plain background with goo natural lighting, it should be fine. Entrants would get the chance to re-photograph if needed.

Hopefully by Monday we'll have a set of rules and some firm dates

 

[duncanh]

I was thinking last night about the photos that people have to submit.
It would be useful to specify a minimum of ...

a profile,
from a higher angle showing the rim and inside,
1 of the base (either straight down of at an angle)

in addition you might want to submit more if you have particular features that you want to show ...

1 showing overall effect of carving/texture/enhancements (assuming they're allowed)
1 or 2 showing closeups of the above

I was thinking that it might be useful to require multiple profile or higher angle shots so that it's more difficult to hide any torn grain.

And what about a maximum number of photos allowed?

I know it's difficult for some people, but how about requesting photos with a plain backdrop to make judging easier? There's probably a guide kicking around somewhere on how to take better photos, particularly with regards to accurate colour reproduction.

 

[Paul.J]

Good points Duncan.
How about having a point system as you say but also for the quality of the piccys taken,with some rules applied to the quality.
I know there have been comments saying "we are turners not photographers"
But i think a good clean uncluttered piccy adds to the quality of the piece.
So if points are awarded for the piccy as well we might get better quality piccys Just an idea.Or is thyis taking the fun out of the whole idea :?
Depends how serious the comp is to be taken i suppose.

 

[TEP]

You sound as if you intend submitting a bowl Duncan. :twisted: :twisted: As I hope, this is only going to be a bit of fun I don't think it really matters about how the photo's are taken. I believe we are all experience enough to know when someone is trying to hide something or not. Let's be honest photos mean very little, a good photographer can bend the subject to suit himself.

If anyone is worried about their piece being given best showing, I guess it is up to them to perfect their photography skills. Which by the way lets me out. If there is any doubt, I'm sure it wouldn't be amiss to ask for some other photos of a particular piece, but only by a judge, other wise it could end up as a free for all.

PS - I hope it is going to be treated as a fun thing Paul. Life's to short for much else.

 

[Paul.J]

TEP wrote

PS - I hope it is going to be treated as a fun thing Paul. Life's to short for much else.

I think all the turning i do i treat it as fun Tam
But i think a comp will be taken a little more serious as i think we all mostly will be trying to do summat that we haven't tried before :shock:
We will just have to wait and see what Tom comes up with re- the rules :shock:

 

[TEP]

I certainly won't be trying something I haven't before Paul, if I have a go. Or stretching myself, sounds all too painful for me. :lol: :lol:

 

[Paul.J]

TEP wrote

I certainly won't be trying something I haven't before Paul, if I have a go. Or stretching myself, sounds all too painful for me.

Fair enough Tam.But as one of our experienced/Advanced/Pro,or which other cat you put yourself in,i thought you would have.
But than again Tam i suppose there isn't much you haven't tried.How about a bowl :lol:
I was referring to the beginners and slightly more advanced,which seem to be making up most the numbers.
It will be great if you enter Tam,your turnings are an inspiration.

 

[Jenx]

It will be great if you enter Tam,your turnings are an inspiration.

They most certainly are :wink: ...
As are Duncan's too...

Are some of the other top guys going to come on board too ?
Hope so..
Come on Fella's.. its only fun amongst ourselves, and by the sounds, there'll be plenty of time to knock something out...
If anything can be said to 'encourage' you ... when you put something on show for us 'lesser mortals'.. I cannot quantify to you how 'inspirational and educational' it is... its brilliant.

Dive in, and help teach the 'goon-end' of Turning ( i.e Me :wink: ) how to do it properly ! Seriously.. Top end turning, when seen by the numpty-end ( ... i.e. Me again :wink: ), really does do a minor miracle in driving "us" on. You may even remember it yourselves in the dim and distant past ! :lol:
And don't be tempted to say " So go look at a book, Numpty " ... its not the same. Not the same as the feeling of 'hey, guess what.. I was in a competition that featured these guys... even if its just ones kids that I'm telling !" :wink:
Dive in.. get your feet wet.. and above all.. have fun and enjoy. 8) 8) 8) :wink:

 

[TEP]

Jeez! Alun, you ain't half got a sweet tongue.

Might just take you up on that bowl Paul! :twisted:

 

[wizer]

I'm withdrawing my services as Adjudicator.

Someone else can take up the batten if they wish

 

[big soft moose]

Its doing the rounds... the Moose has it but with his move and wedding its 'stalled' a wee bit, but that should be temporary. :wink:



8) :lol: 8)

ahhh bollocks - i knew the was something - i'll try and send the plans on ( just as soon as i can find them) , my piece is still stalled but theres no reason you guys should have to wait for me to get my act together.

 

[Jenx]

I'm withdrawing my services as Adjudicator.

Someone else can take up the batten if they wish

S'up Dude ? ....
I am really hoping you'll reconsider this decision after sleeping on it.
There's much work gone into it already, I'm sure.

A wider point is not lost there however... and one I feel a tad guilty about..
You've not thus far, been offered a hand.
I would therefore like to address that ... if you can reconsider this and want to offload half the burden.. just say so, Bud, I'd be honoured to help you.


Aj.

 

[Paul.J]

:shock: :shock: :shock:
:? :? :?

 

[wizer]

Sorry guys, I was told off by the powers that be and I don't come here for grief, so I'm out.

Good luck with it.

 

[TEP]

Don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but when Blister offered a turning idea for the members of this part of the forum a little while back, it fell at the first hurdle.

Don't get me wrong, the idea is OK, and the initial enthusiasm is there, but for how long?

I'm not shy in coming forward, so. "I told you so!" Too many cooks, and so on. Also, if you can't stand the heat, don't take a job as a stoker! Looks like a fallen cause.

Before anyone says, "You can do it." No thank you, I don't want to impose my ideas on anyone, or many. Did that for too long when I was working.