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maltrout512
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Sounds like it's coming together. I will be taking part in the other com and I would like to enter this one as well. I would say that I would put myself in the advanced section as I do make part of my living in turning. Will wait for further updates with interest.
Its a good idea something like a goblet because there are endless variations you can do and there is a lot of artistic license etc. I propose everyone enters whether full time pro or part time newbie and will be based on an X factor style voting system.
stevebuk
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full of confidence now.. stand clear, i'm in.. :lol:
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Soulfly I really really want you to enter.
Thanks for your interest guys. I don't see any problems entering both compos if you like.
I have been trying to think of a way to get the pen turners involved. Perhaps a separate section for pens?
Thanks for your interest guys. I don't see any problems entering both compos if you like.
I have been trying to think of a way to get the pen turners involved. Perhaps a separate section for pens?
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Would three sections be out of the question. I like Soulfly's goblet suggestion and there could be a pen section and then an 'Open' section allowing for any other creations.
I don't know how X Factor is scored but I saw a calender competition on another turning forum where the entries were posted and people could vote for the one they liked best whilst honouring a request not to vote for themselves.
I don't know how X Factor is scored but I saw a calender competition on another turning forum where the entries were posted and people could vote for the one they liked best whilst honouring a request not to vote for themselves.
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The thing is that it gets complicated if we have a beginner, intermediate and advanced section for each category. So then do we just have a free for all compo with no skill level restrictions? I think that might scare people off.
I think maybe having an open competition where you can turn anything at all and enter it into your chosen skill level works best but kind of alienates the pen turners. I think it'd be best to have a pen section run along side (assuming the pen turners would like to enter?) obviously anyone can enter the pen compo.
:? Hows that sound?
I think maybe having an open competition where you can turn anything at all and enter it into your chosen skill level works best but kind of alienates the pen turners. I think it'd be best to have a pen section run along side (assuming the pen turners would like to enter?) obviously anyone can enter the pen compo.
:? Hows that sound?
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Definately think the PEN CHAPS need something specifically for the pens, if thats all that they turn.
Otherwise, it can be as simple or as complex as you like !
Spindle Piece / Faceplate Piece even ?
Anything works for me !
Just think its important for the 'pens only' guys to be very much incorporated into the plans. :wink: :lol:
Hopefully Soulfly and EVERYONE ELSE would enter....
Its for fun, for a wee bit of chest-puffing in jest, and for learning from the input and observations of everyone. We're in the very fortunate position that one and all can feel totally comfortable in entering, and know that they can expect nothing but constructive help, should they not be fortunate enough to top the charts.
That in itself makes it worth trying.
Here's a wee idea to throw into the pot... involves a wee tiny bit of outlay on each persons part.. but how about the 'adjudicator' gets to nominate his or her favourite charity-shop and each of us sends our competition-piece to the shop's address for selling onwards, to raise funds for that given charity ? Is that outwith the bounds of possibility ? .... and the 'feel-good' factor is hard to beat.
That wouldn't be over-complicating the thing, would it ? :wink:
( after the comp' of course ! :lol: )
Otherwise, it can be as simple or as complex as you like !
Spindle Piece / Faceplate Piece even ?
Anything works for me !
Just think its important for the 'pens only' guys to be very much incorporated into the plans. :wink: :lol:
Hopefully Soulfly and EVERYONE ELSE would enter....
Its for fun, for a wee bit of chest-puffing in jest, and for learning from the input and observations of everyone. We're in the very fortunate position that one and all can feel totally comfortable in entering, and know that they can expect nothing but constructive help, should they not be fortunate enough to top the charts.
That in itself makes it worth trying.
Here's a wee idea to throw into the pot... involves a wee tiny bit of outlay on each persons part.. but how about the 'adjudicator' gets to nominate his or her favourite charity-shop and each of us sends our competition-piece to the shop's address for selling onwards, to raise funds for that given charity ? Is that outwith the bounds of possibility ? .... and the 'feel-good' factor is hard to beat.
That wouldn't be over-complicating the thing, would it ? :wink:
( after the comp' of course ! :lol: )
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Fair point Tom Fair point indeeed ! :lol:
I'd be in.
I think three categories would be good - beginner, intermediate/expert and Pro unless there were so few Pros that the distinction would be between intermediate and expert.
At least I have no problems categorising myself as I need training on how to use the wretched bowl gouge.
I assume we would be able to enter this comp as well as the one on the general forum? I would suggest that the idea that they are running with of a WIP section would be good - no so much to keep people involved (as our work would be rather shorter duration project) but to help with the education bit.
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I think three categories would be good - beginner, intermediate/expert and Pro unless there were so few Pros that the distinction would be between intermediate and expert.
At least I have no problems categorising myself as I need training on how to use the wretched bowl gouge.
I assume we would be able to enter this comp as well as the one on the general forum? I would suggest that the idea that they are running with of a WIP section would be good - no so much to keep people involved (as our work would be rather shorter duration project) but to help with the education bit.
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absolutely Miles. I don't want anyone to think that we're trying to poach entrants from their compo. In fact, I intend to enter that one myself.
I just felt that it alienated a lot of this forums members because of the prizes and judges involved.
I just felt that it alienated a lot of this forums members because of the prizes and judges involved.
Don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but when Blister offered a turning idea for the members of this part of the forum a little while back, it fell at the first hurdle.
Don't get me wrong, the idea is OK, and the initial enthusiasm is there, but for how long?
Don't get me wrong, the idea is OK, and the initial enthusiasm is there, but for how long?
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Does that mean you are not interested in entering Tam?
Unless we get a lot more interest I won't be following up on my leads for prize donations. Which would be a great shame because I don't see any reason why an active turner wouldn't want to enter a competition. What's the point in the hobby\craft if you can't get some sort of acclaim. Not to mention the social aspects.
I think Blister's pass-around may have been slightly different in that there was no incentive to complete the piece. Other than that I'm really not sure what happened.
Unless we get a lot more interest I won't be following up on my leads for prize donations. Which would be a great shame because I don't see any reason why an active turner wouldn't want to enter a competition. What's the point in the hobby\craft if you can't get some sort of acclaim. Not to mention the social aspects.
I think Blister's pass-around may have been slightly different in that there was no incentive to complete the piece. Other than that I'm really not sure what happened.
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I reckon Blister's piece will work... but its a 'specific piece' and will either work for you or it wont.
Its doing the rounds... the Moose has it but with his move and wedding its 'stalled' a wee bit, but that should be temporary. :wink:
As this is more 'open to interpretation', it makes involvement a little easier.. i think ? :wink: :lol:
8) :lol: 8)
Its doing the rounds... the Moose has it but with his move and wedding its 'stalled' a wee bit, but that should be temporary. :wink:
As this is more 'open to interpretation', it makes involvement a little easier.. i think ? :wink: :lol:
8) :lol: 8)
Bodrighy
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If all those who will defiinitely enter it put their name forward now we will know if it is worth it. I'll start a new thread for people to just submit their name. If we get enough it's a goer. OK
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duncanh
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I'm not really sure how to go about organising categories.
Number of years/months turning doesn't cover it as you may only turn one item per month.
Number of items turned may not cover it, as you may have turned hundreds of key rings but never tackled anything larger than a goblet.
A professional class could be used, but just because someone makes decent (relative to the rest of us!) amount of money from turning doesn't necessarily make them a better turner - someone who regularly sells at craft shows may not have pushed themselves to explore areas that perhaps won't sell.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't know!
As for ideas - when I was making boomerangs one of the competitions that I saw was to limit everyone to a certain size of wood to start with.
This could be done here - produce something from a maximum given size/volume of wood.
Alternatively - how about using something similar to the postal size checking templates at the post office that is used to determine cost paid. eg. we could say that every item turned must fit through an opening x * y. This would suit pen turners, spindles/goblets, platters, etc depending on the sizes chosen.
Maybe the x*y idea could be split into categories such as spindle and faceplate.
I'm not sure that we need prizes - on a photography forum that I used to visit the prize for the monthly competition was the choice of theme for the next month (and also the option to modify the rules)
As for judges - again, I'm not sure how best to go here. Choosing only a handful of judges will possibly skew the results towards their own preferences.
Our club uses a method where everyone gets 2 votes - worth 2 and 1 point. The scores are then totted up and the person with the most wins.
October feels like a long time to wait, although I probably get more time at the lathe than most. The distant deadline might be needed for the other competition but perhaps not for turning.
These are just my thoughts at the moment and they may well change...
Duncan
Number of years/months turning doesn't cover it as you may only turn one item per month.
Number of items turned may not cover it, as you may have turned hundreds of key rings but never tackled anything larger than a goblet.
A professional class could be used, but just because someone makes decent (relative to the rest of us!) amount of money from turning doesn't necessarily make them a better turner - someone who regularly sells at craft shows may not have pushed themselves to explore areas that perhaps won't sell.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't know!
As for ideas - when I was making boomerangs one of the competitions that I saw was to limit everyone to a certain size of wood to start with.
This could be done here - produce something from a maximum given size/volume of wood.
Alternatively - how about using something similar to the postal size checking templates at the post office that is used to determine cost paid. eg. we could say that every item turned must fit through an opening x * y. This would suit pen turners, spindles/goblets, platters, etc depending on the sizes chosen.
Maybe the x*y idea could be split into categories such as spindle and faceplate.
I'm not sure that we need prizes - on a photography forum that I used to visit the prize for the monthly competition was the choice of theme for the next month (and also the option to modify the rules)
As for judges - again, I'm not sure how best to go here. Choosing only a handful of judges will possibly skew the results towards their own preferences.
Our club uses a method where everyone gets 2 votes - worth 2 and 1 point. The scores are then totted up and the person with the most wins.
October feels like a long time to wait, although I probably get more time at the lathe than most. The distant deadline might be needed for the other competition but perhaps not for turning.
These are just my thoughts at the moment and they may well change...
Duncan
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I suppose we are just going to have to be as honest with each other as we can,regarding categorising ourselves.
If the judges feel that a member is in the wrong cat than he/she will be asked to change :?:
Also could we have a restricted amount of selection on items to turn so we can pick which ever one we fancy turning,such as pens,bowls,etc.
Then the next comp a different selection.This will narrow it down some.
Judges should volunteer also i think,they needn't be pros i suppose but some of our more very experienced members.
If the judges feel that a member is in the wrong cat than he/she will be asked to change :?:
Also could we have a restricted amount of selection on items to turn so we can pick which ever one we fancy turning,such as pens,bowls,etc.
Then the next comp a different selection.This will narrow it down some.
Judges should volunteer also i think,they needn't be pros i suppose but some of our more very experienced members.
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Everything Duncan says there makes very good sense.
Especially like the 'points system of voting', if we could make that happen.
( I guess its possible ? )
Agree with Paul too .. we should be able to be pretty up front about where we should 'live' as individuals and the relative abilities. 8)
Especially like the 'points system of voting', if we could make that happen.
( I guess its possible ? )
Agree with Paul too .. we should be able to be pretty up front about where we should 'live' as individuals and the relative abilities. 8)
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