Can anyone tell me what type of plane this is.

[Nailer]

Hi,

I've picked this plane up on my travels and was wondering what it was,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane007.jpg

Its in a pretty sorry state,as you can see and i would like to restore it to its former glory.

The markings on the iron say Ward caststeel and around the arched top says Warrented.
Also there's an anvil with W and P either side of it with what looks like a hammer and axe crossing each other.

There doesn't appear to be any other names on it other than the ones on the iron.

So any ideas on what it is and advice on restoring it whould be most appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Philly]

Nailer
Looks like a mitre plane to me-take a look at Lie-Nielsens version....
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/tool.html?id=9
Cheers
Philly

 

[Chris Knight]

Definitely a Ward and Payne mitre plane. Alf will advise on restoration but the mouth looks a bit sad so "former glory" may be a bridge too far..

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Call me optimistic, but I believe this plane can be saved. OK, not the blade. The mouth actually looks fine. What is damaged is the rear of the mouth, which is unimportant. I'd place the whole thing in a electrolysis tank.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Alf]

Not much left for me to say then. Ward & Payne had a long history, and I don't know of any way to date their irons - this what's called a "snecked" iron, btw. Theoretically it could be any time between 1803 (1845 more likely, if I read Goodman aright) and 1970. In practice is probably somewhere in the middle. Doesn't help on who made the plane though. I see no reason in the world why it couldn't be cleaned up and used. Not sure I'd favour electrolysis 'cos of the wood (and also I just don't like it :wink: ), but a bit of elbow grease with some white spirit and non-woven abrasive (maroon Webrax is my preferred one, but take your pick of the brands) for the finicky bits, and wet 'n' dry on the sole and sides and you're laughing. The wood doesn't look like it needs much work on it at all. I should think you could get a replacement iron reasonably easily; either a secondhand one or from someone like Ray Iles. Yep, I've seen worse; former glory though, probably not. Useable tool? Reckon so. What's the story behind your acquisition of it?

Cheers, Alf

 

[Nailer]

What was the story behind its acquistion ?.......well belive it or not.....rescued from a skip :shock:

We we're contracted to do a referbishment/extention of an older property....the place was gutted and a kitchen and bathroom extention was stuck on the side along with a new garage.The place had been empty for years and the new owner had just launched everything in the place in a skip.......and this was where i found it.....and thought ...if its in a skip they obviously don't want it.
It's been in my garage for about five years now in pretty much the same condition it was rescued.I just thought it was time it had a bit of TLC

I've also got a pair of Norris planes (not sure of the numbers)which need a bit of TLC....these were given to me by my grandfather about 15 years ago,who bought them after being demobed after WWII.
I didn't realise what they were until i used the jack one day on a site i was working on...fitting doors and the only reason i was using it was because the stanley jack plane i used at the time needed a re grind of the iron.
So.. anyway i was merrily shooting these doors and the NHBC inspector happened to come in to the house and did a double take as he walked passed the door to the room i was working in....he asked to have a look at my plane,he then asked do i know what it was ,to which i replied no.....it was given to me by my grandfather.
He happend to be a ex joiner who collected old/antique planes and he told me what it was......needless to say the stanley promptly got a regrind....must say though fabulous plane to use.
I havn't used it since and with thinking about restoring the mitre plane it was about time these planes got some TLC.

As you can see the finish on the norris planes has come off....other than that i can't see anything wrong with them.....so any advice on cleaning and what finish should be used would be most appreaciated.

Here they are :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ ... ane001.jpg

Thanks

 

[Shady]

If you are going to make a user out of it, I'd lap that sole flat after some phosphoric acid rust removal (ie 'jenolite'), and then use thickened epoxy and a waxed blade to 're-build' the rear bedding surface behind the mouth: not difficult, and you'd end up with a working mitre plane. I say this having no idea of the 'intrinsic collector's' value, as I'm interested in using, not collecting... Shout if any of this needs extra explaining - it really is quite easy, and (providing it ain't some sort of picasso of the plane world), you've nothing to lose.

 

[Chris Knight]

Nailer,

That's not so much a gloat as an admission of guilt in a capital case! :shock:

 

[Alf]

Philly? Take note. This is a real gloat... :shock: ](*,) =P~ :tongue9:

Infills aren't really my thing, so I'll merely point you to Trinders website and retire from the field.

Cheers, Alf

 

[Nailer]

Cheers for the link Alf......they are a No A1 66 jointer/panel plane and a No A5 46/6 smoother.
I'm going to email trinders for some advice on restoration/finishes etc....unless anyone else can point me in the right direction.

Appologies about the gloat btw.......totally unintentional


thanks

 

[Anonymous]

Don't apologize! Gloats are very welcome among hand toolers. Gloating isn't intended to make others feel bad but to share the joy. Yours is a true Galoot gloat (an uncommonly good acquistion either cost or rarity).
The traditional Galoot response to a fine gloat is "You Suck!". :lol:
Congratulations on your dumpster miter and on your Grandfathers Norris' (family tools are the ultimate gloat).