bursgreen hand planer bridge gaurd

[tool613]

hi all i am new here.

its jack from Canada and we have many of your fine English machines over here. the one thing i would like to ask is / do you guys like the bridge type guard or the pork chop planer guard. the reason i ask is i am trying to restore an old bursgreen planer and the bride guard is missing. i could sure use some pics of how they work and any thought on how to make one . i was looking at a wadkin fm jointer that i like the stile of. any one got pics of a bursgreen or other bridge guards?


jack

 

[OPJ]

Jack,

You could try having a look at this manual for Axminster's 6in cast iron machine. That should give you some idea.

There's basically an arm fixed to the side of the outfeed that pivots and can be raised to allow thicker timber to pass below. It also needs to be lowered for any thinner stuff (ideally; within the best interests of H&S). The other part of the guard can be adjusted to cover a portion of the cutter block across the width of the beds. This is generally set so that anything 2in or less can be passed below but, with 3in stock or thicker, people tend to set it to one side, so that only the 'unused' portion of the cutter block is guarded.

If you're competent with metalworking and all that, I don't see why you couldn't make something yourself. Coincidentally, I recently asked Axminster how much the complete guard assembly would cost for the 6in planer and it was only around £30. So, you must surely be able to find something suitable (designed for another machine) where you are.

'Porkchop'-style guards are frowned upon by the HSE as they leave the cutter block exposed behind the board at the end of a cut. Then again, with safe working practice, you could argue that the operator's hands should never pass directly over the spinning knives, anyway... In fact, I think it's now illegal (CE/EU regulations) for any new European machines to be supplied with this form of guarding.

Hope this helps.

 

[Dodge]

Jack,

Many years ago I have an old burgess green planer that died the death and I salvaged the parts before disposing of it

One thing that I kept was the guard you are asking about as I had planned to use it on another machine but never did.

When I am back in my workshop on Monday I will take a photo of it and post it on here for you to see.

If it is the one you require you are welcome to it if you dont mind covering the shipping cost.

Dodge

 

[tool613]

OPJ

i hear ya on the safety for the two types of fences. this little planer is for my personal shop and is not commercial. i would like to return it back to original condition. the shop that had it put new safety guard on it that were safe but did not look the best. the bridge fence was missing and i want it make one. here is one i think it may have look like ,but i would not know as i have never seen the another bursgreen planer from a time before the sagar or wadkin take over.

i love the brass on this one

here is mine as i got it

Dodge

if you could take some pics i would love to see them. i really love the machinery for this time period. can anyone date this machine?are these rare?


jack

 

[tool613]

Jack,

Many years ago I have an old burgess green planer that died the death and I salvaged the parts before disposing of it

One thing that I kept was the guard you are asking about as I had planned to use it on another machine but never did.

When I am back in my workshop on Monday I will take a photo of it and post it on here for you to see.

If it is the one you require you are welcome to it if you dont mind covering the shipping cost.

Dodge

Dodge

did you have chance to look for that stuff off the old bursgreen. the stuff is as rare as hens teeth. i would love to see what it looks like.


jack

 

[Dodge]

Dodge

did you have chance to look for that stuff off the old bursgreen. the stuff is as rare as hens teeth. i would love to see what it looks like.


jack

Hi Jack,

Just got home and here it is - I had to dust it off but this is what came off my old Burgess Green - The bridge Guard is approx 21" long. I hope this helps.

As I said you are welcome to it - if you want me to get a quote for shipping it let me know.

Regards

Roger

 

[angelboy]

If Jack doesn't go for it then it's the part that's missing from my Bursgreen P/T with the look of it.

I don't want another freebie though TBH even if it's enough to get the kids and extra pressy for xmas.

 

[PeterBassett]

That is beautiful!

 

[Richard Findley]

Nice kit guys.

Jack, I'm no expert but it looks like your machine is a Bursgreen, not a Wadkin Bursgreen, which is how you more often see them. This suggests it was made before Wadkin took the mover (or was it the other way round??)

Wadkin machines can be dated from their serial numbers, not sure if its the same for the Bursgreen. I would guess it would be from the early 70s though?

Cheers

Richard

 

[tool613]

Dodge

did you have chance to look for that stuff off the old bursgreen. the stuff is as rare as hens teeth. i would love to see what it looks like.


jack

Hi Jack,

Just got home and here it is - I had to dust it off but this is what came off my old Burgess Green - The bridge Guard is approx 21" long. I hope this helps.

As I said you are welcome to it - if you want me to get a quote for shipping it let me know.

Regards

Roger

Roger

i will take it for sure. i can't believe i am seeing one. and that you are offering it to me. this site is great. i will pm my particulars. thank you so much.

 

[tool613]

Nice kit guys.

Jack, I'm no expert but it looks like your machine is a Bursgreen, not a Wadkin Bursgreen, which is how you more often see them. This suggests it was made before Wadkin took the mover (or was it the other way round??)

Wadkin machines can be dated from their serial numbers, not sure if its the same for the Bursgreen. I would guess it would be from the early 70s though?

Cheers

Richard

Rich

i know its a bursgreen. i only have two bursgreens the rest are wadkin. or wadkin bursgreen machines. i think its older than the 70s more like the 40s here is bursgreen bandsaw mzf 1952 that i just finished.i just love the English kits

jack

 

[angelboy]

Room for improvement.

You can just about see the Sagar badge on the bottom. I didn't have the heart to pull the pallet truck out in the snow to get a better photo.

It also has a thicknesser attachment........I'm sure I'll need a little advice on this when the machine is up and running!

You can see I need to find a guard. If anyone has any ideas.

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[tool613]

Room for improvement.

You can just about see the Sagar badge on the bottom. I didn't have the heart to pull the pallet truck out in the snow to get a better photo.

It also has a thicknesser attachment........I'm sure I'll need a little advice on this when the machine is up and running!

You can see I need to find a guard. If anyone has any ideas.

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i have never seen a sagar bursgreen. i think they took over in bursgreen in 1952 and wadkin took them in 1956. that would put yours from the early 50s,

you will notice that mine is a parallel bed design form a time when Gib beds were the norm. i would like to see more of the thicknesses and tag . thank you for sharing.


jack

 

[angelboy]

 

[dickm]

It also has a thicknesser attachment........I'm sure I'll need a little advice on this when the machine is up and running!

From my experience with a similar thicknessing attachment on a much smaller Coronet machine, only one piece of advice - don't bother! They are an absolute pain to use. If you are only taking off 1mm or less, have beautifully waxed table and thickness plate, it's just about do-able, but no more. It might be better with a heavy machine, but pushing stuff through the Coronet usually ended up with the whole machine moving

 

[tool613]

It also has a thicknesser attachment........I'm sure I'll need a little advice on this when the machine is up and running!

From my experience with a similar thicknessing attachment on a much smaller Coronet machine, only one piece of advice - don't bother! They are an absolute pain to use. If you are only taking off 1mm or less, have beautifully waxed table and thickness plate, it's just about do-able, but no more. It might be better with a heavy machine, but pushing stuff through the Coronet usually ended up with the whole machine moving

guys how is it that they work on the hand planer.
i can't seems to get it.


jack

 

[Recky33]

You have done one hell of a nice job on that bandsaw

 

[Digit]

Jack! How do they work? They don't, like **** M said!

Roy.

 

[tool613]

Jack! How do they work? They don't, like **** M said!

Roy.

lol

new question. how don't they work? :lol:


jack :lol:

 

[Digit]

Right! Starting at the beginning, you are supposed to surface plane the one face as per normal, the you turn the wood over so that the planed face is now uppermost, then pass the timber under the thicknessing plate.
So the plate will enable you to get all piece to (roughly) the same dimension, what it will not do is ensure that the two faces are parallel.

Roy.