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lugo35

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just glanced aroud at tv thay talking about car jacking!!!

being a new father well 18months.t5he more strongly i feel that people like this are a waste of good air. the goody goody attitude to wrap them in cotton wool and send them on holiday is ****. get them breaking rocks with a hammer and building sea defences. if they try to do a runner set the dogs on them.

rant over , may even get band from site :?:
 
relaxxxxxx.... you never once mentioned the <cough> dado <cough> word.. you'll be fine...

personally I'm with you... get em in quarries with sledge hammers...
 
Listen to me O Distraught and Frustrated Welch One; you ain't seen nuttin 'till you see the falling-over-backward. goody-two-shoe, bloody namby-pamby,liberal nonsense spouted by Education trick cyclists about how to deal with disruptive children. Accronyms and training courses abound, alternative therapies are relentlessly pushed and active, sustained, obstruction by Education and Welfare(!!!) Officers is standard practice. Time after time teachers have got some litttle perisher banged to rights, only to have someone who visits the school for half an hour per term overrule the Headmaster. Yes folks, someone who does not deal day in, day out, with the aftermath of sadistic bullies, merciless and unfeeling thieves can simply come in and rub the noses of decent, hard working kids and their parents and teachers into the mud. A phrase often smugly used is: " it would not be in the child's best interests, we must find a way of rewarding them so that they have a more attractive future to choose". Now tell me, what is more rewarding than the safe and secure knowledge that you can tell a teacher to "F*** off", use your camera phone in a changing room to recordd your mates genital details to post on the web, wear what you like, turn up when you like AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF ANY IMPORT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU? Indeed, if you persist, you will get your own individual teachers at home, specially provided for little ol' you and you might even get a wee holiday at the Taxpayer's expense.

So, you see Logo me old china, the most formative years, where a firm hand makes the most difference to later deeds, has been hijacked, twisted and corrupted to the point where growing up means car-jacking is simply a natural(?) and logical progression.
 
if they're too small for the 'ammers.. clap em into public stocks... name n shame..

wire brush n dettol on stand by to soothe their bruised ego's
 
I posted a while ago about the thugs who assaulted my eldest boy in the town square: the bit that almost annoyed me the most was the insolent look in this skinny little teenaged runt's eyes, and the tone of voice in which he said 'you can't touch me like that' as I grabbed him by the throat. Exactly the sort of product of some of the policies being ranted about here.

He looked rather rattled when he realised that I wasn't a particularly nice person, and when I informed him in anglo-saxon language that I didn't really care what he thought I could and couldn't do, and enquired as to whether he'd like to explore this concept of what I could do in any greater detail...

Nonetheless, I was very aware of the need not to get carried away - the nicest bit in the whole episode was that the copper who took my statement was clearly coaching me about the best way of describing what had happened, so as to protect me legally. There are still some sane people out there. The recent news item where the judge supported the copper who 'clipped the kid round the ear' was also a victory for sanity...
 
The recent news item where the judge supported the copper who 'clipped the kid round the ear' was also a victory for sanity...

Here, here. That snippet made my day.

It's a great pity that more people don't take direct action like you Shady. We get the society that we deserve and far too many people have just sat by and done nothing ...just muttering 'oooh...look at that naughty boy. Tsk..tsk' as the naughty boy assaults an OAP. If more people took it upon themselves to castigate bad behaviour or give them a clip round the ear then we'd not be in the mess that we are. Sadly IMHO we've let it go too far and these days you're as likely to get a knife in your ribs for your pains.

Of course, this does not detract from the dereliction of duty and abrogation of responsibility by parents and the legal system (it does not deserve to be called the justice system) not to mention liberal do-gooders and the abuse of the Human Rights Act to defeat common-sense and justice.
 
Of course, this does not detract from the dereliction of duty and abrogation of responsibility by parents and the legal system (it does not deserve to be called the justice system) not to mention liberal do-gooders and the abuse of the Human Rights Act to defeat common-sense and justice.

Quite agree - I used to work with members of the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) who would not even take on a case from the police unless they were about 90% certain of getting a conviction.

And the amount of plea-bargaining that goes on whilst awaiting for your turn in court is scary (i.e. "My client will plead guilty to resisting arrest if you drop the criminal damage charge")

Unfortunately,the police are no longer allowed to do much of anything without someone complaining - a workmate has a friend who is currently in basic training with the police,and even drawing the nightstick (modern truncheon) has to be done in a non-confrontational manner :shock:

Now in the "good old days" :lol: I knew an old-style police sergeant who used to go out with his truncheon slid up his sleeve,and always wore gloves.If he came across any cheeky kids,he gave them a clip round the ear,but slid the truncheon down his sleeve and into his glove first!
However,kids were never cheeky to him twice :wink:

Andrew
 
I know a lot of people moan about magistrates letting people off with minimal sentences but I didn't realise that their hands were tied as sentencing guidelines are determined and laid down in a great thick book.

A friend of mine is a magistrate and we spent a short time one evening while I had a little rant and she quietly pointed out in the book what 'pitiful' sentences she was allowed to pass down.

So, these are the 'eejits' you need to throw brickbats at. Independent? Hah...humbug!
 
On top of that,magistrates are limited in their sentencing powers anyway - they can only sentence anyone to a maximum 6 months imprisonment and/or £5,000 fine

Bring back the stocks,and public flogging :wink:

Andrew
 
PowerTool":1eafpe1e said:
On top of that,magistrates are limited in their sentencing powers anyway - they can only sentence anyone to a maximum 6 months imprisonment and/or £5,000

I'd forgotten that.

Now here's a simple and easy solution...let magistrates sentence up to two years and double all the recommended sentences with NO PAROLE for crimes that incur bodily harm to the victim....
 
Actually, while we're on this subject, did anyone find it a bit odd that thuggery and ABH, GBH, up to and including murder, seems to get you a slap on the wrist, while Gary Lineker's brother got a full 2 years for tax evasion??? Not to condone the tax evasion (much... :twisted: ), but it also seems to reflect a sense of priorities that is a little ...messed up.
 
had a car radio stolen for wifes car. when police came to take statement. got chatting to one of the coppers, said they know who is doing it( spate of the same going about). but no point going around coz it would be long gone by now, also told me in a round about way if i caught them to give them a good kicking ( i wish), they would look other way.

seems we dont shout loud enough, get the impretion that alot of people feel the same way and unless we shout the softly softly will continue
 
SammieQ - When I was in UK I felt the same way about the school system. What authority do these so called 'advisors' have :?: What happens if the head teacher just doesn't invite them to the meetings :?:
 
Losos, Roger S is quite right. It runs summat like this:

1. Child commits FINAL offence.
2. Child is informed of wish that he would leave by Head, who must simultaneously inform 'advisors' that we now have a loose kid in the system - the 'advisors' bosses in the Local Authority have "a responsibility" to see that the child is educated and reiterate this to school.
3. Child, Parents, Head, Advisors meet, child is suspended.....pending....and the school MUST continue to provide education to the child. Not the Advisors, the school that the child has just disrupted. If the advisor sees a ***** in the school's argument, he/she will exploit it to persuade the school to drop the case "I would not support this action" etc etc
4. At this point, an "Appeal " system kicks in, heavily loaded in the child's favour. If, for example, the school does not provide education to the child every 5 days, the whole thing collapses and the child is reinstated in the very classrooms he/ashe disrupted before.
5. The Local Authority will be biased. They do not want to have to pay tutors to go to the child's home (very expensive) and if reputations travel, other schools may not want to take the little darling. Ergo, the school will
be 'encouraged' to take him/her back by fair or otherwise means.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CHILDREN WHO WANT TO WORK???????
 
SammieQ / Roger

Wow, that all seems so mind bogling, I'm flabergasted - I never thought it was as bad as all that :(

What is the future :?: You have to feel sorry for the 'normal' kids, who I guess will work at studying (some more than others of course)

In the long term it can't be good for the future of the country, that sounds a little pompous maybe, but as everyone knows in 20 or 30 years these kids will be running business & government.
 
Now tell me, what is more rewarding than the safe and secure knowledge that you can tell a teacher to "F*** off", use your camera phone in a changing room to recordd your mates genital details to post on the web, wear what you like, turn up when you like AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF ANY IMPORT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU? Indeed, if you persist, you will get your own individual teachers at home, specially provided for little ol' you and you might even get a wee holiday at the Taxpayer's expense.

I'll spare the "back in my day" BS.. if for no other reason than it makes me feel auld...
IF corporal punishment isn't an option then there's no point dwelling on it... that said, there has to be a way to cut through the PC cottonwool BS and effect a low cost yet highly effective solution..

The more I think about it, the more I feel that the reintroduction of classic medieval public stocks is the way to go.. Kids get away with murder simply because there's no consequences any more... that needs to be redressed... As has been pointed out, kids who do tow the line have a right to learn without fear of disruption... the remedy needs to be crude in it's execution, brutal in its simplicity and deliver an effective means of causing extreme loss of face for the guilty party.... punishment in public is an ideal way to deliver just that while having an additional benefit of being an effective deterrant for any of the little darlings contemplating a similar disruption..

any alternatives...??
 

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