Bedrock Planes - now For Sale

[Karl]

Hi BB

I use the surface plate to check for any rocking of the plane's sole. The straight edge is used to measure the flatness at various points in the length - on this plane I checked the fit of the cigarett paper at 6 points along the length, then moved the straight edge along the width of the plane and checked again, thereby taking, say, 24 "measurements".

Having said that, if only I got off my ar$e and got a set of feeler gauges, then I wouldn't need to bother with the straight edge test.

The straight edge is from Veritas, and has a stated tolerance of .001" over its 24" length. From memory the certificate which came with the plate showed that it had better tolerances, as you say.

Cheers

Karl

 

[bugbear]

Hi BB

I use the surface plate to check for any rocking of the plane's sole. The straight edge is used to measure the flatness at various points in the length - on this plane I checked the fit of the cigarett paper at 6 points along the length, then moved the straight edge along the width of the plane and checked again, thereby taking, say, 24 "measurements".

Having said that, if only I got off my ar$e and got a set of feeler gauges, then I wouldn't need to bother with the straight edge test.

Don't use feeler gauges - use marking blue!

Alternatively (hoping geocities is still there):

(using a dial indicator gauge)

http://www.geocities.com/plybench/flatt ... ml#measure

BugBear

 

[head clansman]

hi karl


nice , nice one , money wise your about right that what i have paid in the past that sort of level , i do like thread that show old Stanley etc being restored , good old quality bit of tweeting here and there new blade etc a little fettling and it's performs equally along side the over priced posh job :wink: .hc

 

[Karl]

Martin

If that is your sort of thing, then keep your eyes peeled - I have received an old 1911 (I think) Stanley 4 1/2 in the post today, ready for similair treatment.

Cheers

Karl

 

[head clansman]

hi karl

yes please, i 'll look forward to that thank you karl . old is the best .hc

 

[Karl]

Don't use feeler gauges - use marking blue!

Alternatively (hoping geocities is still there):

(using a dial indicator gauge)

http://www.geocities.com/plybench/flatt ... ml#measure

BugBear

Hi BB

Interesting. If I understand your method correctly, the marking blue will highlight the high spots on the planes sole. These are then removed using sic, and the sole re-blued. Hopefully now the blue marking will have gotten larger as more of the planes sole comes into contact with the blue. And continue until you have a sole which is pretty much covered with blue.

Correct?

Cheers

Karl

 

[newt]

Karl, that is a really nice job and looks to be a very useful plane, you must be well chuffed. You can spend a lot of time getting the sole very flat as BB has mentioned and it can be quite satisfying, but if you have contact at the front of the sole, front and back of mouth and at he rear of the sole, and this is consistent across the width then things are looking good.

I know some state that producing a thin shaving is pointless exercise, however I believe it is very useful for judging flatness. If you can produce a genuine one thou shaving with just reasonable downward pressure then I think its ok, in fact its fine. However beware, I can remember someone who was producing one thou shavings with a no 7 but only if he pressed down really hard and flattened the concave sole.

 

[Karl]

Hi Pete

I agree about the sole of the plane - thankfully this one was nice and flat to start with.

Although it can take very fine shavings, I envisage using this plane more in the stock preparation side of my work - after the scrub plane, and with a cambered blade.

Cheers

Karl

 

[Karl]

If you can produce a genuine one thou shaving with just reasonable downward pressure then I think its ok, in fact its fine. However beware, I can remember someone who was producing one thou shavings with a no 7 but only if he pressed down really hard and flattened the concave sole.

I've been thinking a little more about this Pete, and decided to do a little test.

If the plane can cut a 1thou shaving with do downward pressure, then it must be as good as needed. So I tried a test shaving with NO pressure, thereby just using the weight of the plane. Same result - full length 1thou shaving. Also tried it with my Clifton 7 - same result.

I doubt this test would work for smaller/lighter planes though.

Cheers

Karl

 

[bugbear]

Don't use feeler gauges - use marking blue!

Alternatively (hoping geocities is still there):

(using a dial indicator gauge)

http://www.geocities.com/plybench/flatt ... ml#measure

BugBear

Hi BB

Interesting. If I understand your method correctly, the marking blue will highlight the high spots on the planes sole. These are then removed using sic, and the sole re-blued. Hopefully now the blue marking will have gotten larger as more of the planes sole comes into contact with the blue. And continue until you have a sole which is pretty much covered with blue.

Correct?

Note that the "blued surface plate" technique simply tells you (to some extent) the shape of your plane's sole - wether you choose to simply go "hmmm", or remove the high spots (with SiC or a file , or an angle grinder) to make the sole flatter is up to you.

You have the method nearly right - as the plane becomes flatter, you should make the blue layer thinner - a completely blue plane-sole actually tells you very little. If you read my "theory" page I describe this carefully, with diagrams, yet.

BugBear

 

[newt]

Karl, I would suggest that you have a good one

 

[Benchwayze]

Well to be perfectly honest, I'd rather have JET written on the SIDE on mine :lol:

I'm gonna buy a plane with a dust bag on the side too! I can sit down to use it then

Just a further thought. Are they going to develop a remote controlled power plane? I could lie back and put me feet up then!

 

[Karl]

As the edited title says - I have decided to sell this plane and have listed it on the 'bay if anybody is interested.

Cheers

Karl

 

[mahking51]

Hi Karl,
Currently having a crack at this plane and the other bits you have listed, be interesting to see what it makes.
May I ask how much the Hock kit is new?
Cheers,
Martin (mahking51)

 

[Karl]

Hi Martin

I hate selling stuff on e-bay - especially when all those "watchers" leave bidding to the last minute..... :lol: Good luck with the auction - I have no idea what it will fetch.

The hock set was just over £70 from memory.

For all those wondering why I decided to sell the Bedrock, there is a method in the madness which will be revealed in due course.

Cheers

Karl

 

[mahking51]

Hi Karl,
Ah well, came second again, such is life.
Hope your are happy with the price realised.
Cheers,
Martin

 

[Karl]

Hi Martin

There were 58 watchers at the end, but I didn't really have a clue how much it'd go for. It can be really hit and miss with selling stuff on the bay - sometimes it goes for peanuts, others it fetches way more than you expect. The good thing is that, combined with the sale of the Hock blade and chipbreaker set (which were always going to be loss makers) and e-bay/Paypal fees, I managed to break even. Of course I spent some of my own time on doing the plane up, but that's another matter.....

Anyway, the plane went to make way for this which I got the other day off e-bay......

I always inteded to sell the Stanley when a Clifton 6 came up on the bay. It's just that one came along a little quicker than I expected :lol:

Cheers

Karl

 

[bugbear]

Of course I spent some of my own time on doing the plane up, but that's another matter.....

Hell - look on it is as free practice material.

Have you checked the Clifton's sole on your surface plate...? :twisted:

BugBear

 

[Karl]

Have you checked the Clifton's sole on your surface plate...? :twisted:

BugBear

No, but I did check it over with my straigt edge and Rizzla papers.....

Cheers

Karl