You missed the point I was making.
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You missed the point I was making.
pgrbff
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From what I understand there are basically three types of blade. The first and cheapest is a single blade punched out with a die. May or may not be ground/sharpened. Next a stack of blades is milled together. Lastly, and usually best quality, a single blade is machined rather than stamped. I wouldn't be able to recognise the difference.
I imagine each producer is buying in ready made stock and welding them up. Maybe you have an in depth knowledge of the busines, otherwise I dont understand how you know all the blades are the same.
I can only go by my limited experience. I try and buy the best I can afford and replace less often. Usually this will mean the blade also cuts better.
I imagine each producer is buying in ready made stock and welding them up. Maybe you have an in depth knowledge of the busines, otherwise I dont understand how you know all the blades are the same.
I can only go by my limited experience. I try and buy the best I can afford and replace less often. Usually this will mean the blade also cuts better.
You are absolutely right on the types of blade. But as I said before, the Axi GT are better quality blades (in my experience) than the others blades available in that price category. They are sharper, cut better and last longer. They are also cheaper than Tuffsaws blades (of the same price category).
EDIT: SEE LATER POSTS, MY PRICE COMMENTS ARE NOT QUITE TRUE, LATER COMMENTS WILL CLEAR THIS UP
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iajon69
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The point you made was that my blades are far more expensive - just looking for something to back this up. From what I can see the prices are pretty much identical and like for like mine seem to be cheaper on most them.
Out of my stock all the Sabrecut and Fastcut are Ground Tooth, most of the Premium are ground Tooth and a lot of the Carbon are Ground Tooth as well.
With regards to the material it doesn't all come from same place and then sold by different suppliers - a lot of suppliers single source theirs, mine come from 5 different manufacturers with a lot being especially manufactured to my specification.
No it wasn't. It was more complicated than that.
iajon69
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How is it more complicated - you made a statement that my blades are not just a little more expensive but far more expensive (which isn't true) and just asked you to clarify which blades these related to. There's hardly any price difference like for like between most suppliers so just curious as to which of my blades are very expensive.
Your opinion about them being better or lasting longer is your opinion and I'm not going to try and change your opinion on that. That's your experience and that's fine, it's impossible to please everyone but from a pricing point of view I am genuinely interested to know the blades that are far more expensive.
The other poster said that you do diamond ground blades, you do, but they are not comparable to the Axi GT which are a "standard" wood working blade. He was not comparing like for like items.
Hence I said yours are far more expensive AND SPECIALIST compared to the Axi GT blades.
The comparable blade you sell to the GT blade is the carbon blade, but that blade is not as good (in my opinion) and is more expensive than the GT blade. Is that wrong? Unless your prices have changed (your website is not showing prices currently) since I last ordered from you, the GT is still cheaper. Is this clearer now?
pgrbff
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Maybe it wasn't deliberate but you did seem to be saying that a better quality ground blade from Axminster was cheaper than Tuffsaws basic blade.
Like I said if you know something we don't let us know.
Yes I said it, it is true (in my opinion)
iajon69
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Not really clearer - The Carbon blade isn't comparable to the GT blades, it's a totally different type of blade and cheaper than the GT blades.
I think you are confused by the different types available and I can't find (limited search) any Carbon blades of mine that's more expensive than Axminster GT or Axminster High Carbon ones (which are the closest to my Carbon blades).
I don't think there's such a thing as a 'standard' blade and I don't know what blades you've had in the past but Carbon and GT blades are different.
The only 'expensive' blades I have are the M42 ones and these are a bit more specialist and not suitable for all users or for a lot of cutting. If the M42 blades are suitable then they will last at least 5 times longer so even though they are more expensive they work out a lot cheaper long term but again not always the best choice which is why I'm always happy to advise on the different types I have available. Axminster sell these as Premium which would be comparable to my M42 blades.
If you want to compare to the GT blades you need to look at my Premium, Sabrecut and Fastcut options which I would guess you haven't used if you think they are far more expensive as these are pretty much identical in price and 90% of them are Diamond Ground Tooth (some of the finer tooth Premium blades can't be Diamond Ground).
@iajon69 Your prices are not available on your site, when they are I will look again.
EDIT: Unless you want to post a price here?
I just bought Axi GT 2270mm blade, 1/4" 10tpi. It cost me £11.68 per blade, free postage. What is the price of your nearest comparable blade? Supertuff carbon for instance which is what I have ordered from you in the past.
EDIT: Unless you want to post a price here?
I just bought Axi GT 2270mm blade, 1/4" 10tpi. It cost me £11.68 per blade, free postage. What is the price of your nearest comparable blade? Supertuff carbon for instance which is what I have ordered from you in the past.
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Thanks for clarifying the different types of blades/prices. I find there are a bewildering number of choices on the market. I started using your M42 blades and I think they are really great. My thinking is: I use the band saw a lot, so get the best blade I can find and accept the price will be higher, but if they last 5X longer, then cost effective. I can't be bothered changing blades on the saw so I use the M42 blade for everything, but I mainly cut softwood. I use the 1/2" and find it cuts straight enough for me and cuts the curves I need.
Is the M42 the best type of blade for what I do?
iajon69
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My 1/4" Carbon in this length are £9.50 per blade but postage is £3.50 - I think Axminsters postage is £3.95 if the order is under £45.00? So to get the free postage would need 4 blades which comes to £46.72 and 4 of mine with the postage would be £41.50.
But and in your case, and this is a big 'but' my 10tpi in 1/4" Carbon are not Ground Tooth - my 6tpi are Ground Tooth which is the closest I've got in Ground Tooth 1/4".
As I said it wasn't a case of whose blades are better as this will change from user to user and it's great that you've found blades that work for you, it was just to clarify the statement about my blades far more expensive.
In this case the price is minimal but the important thing is that you've found blades that work for you - if it was 6tpi you were using then I would have Ground Tooth but I haven't got 10tpi in GT (yet) and obviously 10tpi works the best for you.
Phil Pascoe
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A lot of metres or a lot of working practices?
iajon69
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With the M42 it depends a lot on the cutting being done, thickness of the wood and the bandsaw being used - M42 blades do need more tension so some bandsaws will struggle with them.
I tend to use an M42 on my bandsaw for most of my cutting because I can use it to cut pallets, plastic, non ferrous and general wood cutting and I then switch blades if I'm doing any ripping or tight radius cutting.
The M42 blades tend to last at least 5 times longer - can be longer if it's mainly softwood being cut and sounds like it's ideal for you but any problems or questions when using it just sent me an email.
iajon69
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Sorry, should have clarified - working practices and on some machines that can't tension them properly.
Thank you Ian for clarifying there. I retract my earlier statement, I am not sure on the price changes to Axi but in the past I am certain I did the math and they worked out cheaper (marginally of course) and that prompted me to switch supplier. That is clearly not the case today so I apologise. Thank you also for clearing up about your own ground tooth. If you do get 10tpi in a GT blade I will certainly try it as in the past I was only able to compare the Axi GT with your 10tpi non ground blades and I still stand by my comments that they cut better and lasted longer (only in my experience of course).
Thanks again. I shall go back and edit my previous comments to reflect my mistake.
iajon69
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There's honestly no need to apologise or edit any posts.
100% you should stand by your comments that the 1/4" x 10tpi Axminster is the best blade for you and better than the ones you had from me - it was just the way it came across that my blades are a lot more expensive and that this applied to all the blades when it's just based on one width and one tooth pitch.
Every user is different and what works for one won't for another which is why there's a variety of blades available and a lot of different suppliers.
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I think once you have blades that work and meet your expectations many people will not look around, you have solved an issue so why risk further problems.
I think once you have blades that work and meet your expectations many people will not look around, you have solved an issue so why risk further problems.
Peterm1000
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Just got to say - what a great response from a retailer. There's quite a few retailers that could learn from this...
