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Kalimna":38ck15xo said:
Distilled water has essentially zero nutritional content.

Cheers,
Adam

Perhaps you could fill me in, on the nutritional content of tap water.? I was unaware till now that water had any nutritional value.

Here's a simple experiment for you.

Boil off 1 gal of tap water and examine the sludge left, ask yourself could it possibly be doing you any good.
 
The nutritional content of tap water, whilst exceedingly small, is the ionic content, which I had already mentioned.
With regard to the sludge left over if a quantity of tap water is boiled dry, then any solid or liquid we consume will do the same, so a rather pointless experiment. The experiment has less use than that, in fact, as unless you know exactly what the sludge is and also whether it has any detrimental effect (?affect :) ) on the body, then merely looking with revulsion will tell you nothing.
Lastly, it is widely regarded amongst the scientific world that personal experience is the lowest form of reliable evidence, and therefore is a poor basis for recommending anything.
I'm glad distilled water woo woo worked for you, but it has absolutely no scientific basis.

Cheers,
Adam S
 
Kalimna":1ltaacgq said:
The nutritional content of tap water, whilst exceedingly small, is the ionic content, which I had already mentioned.
With regard to the sludge left over if a quantity of tap water is boiled dry, then any solid or liquid we consume will do the same, so a rather pointless experiment. The experiment has less use than that, in fact, as unless you know exactly what the sludge is and also whether it has any detrimental effect (?affect :) ) on the body, then merely looking with revulsion will tell you nothing.
Lastly, it is widely regarded amongst the scientific world that personal experience is the lowest form of reliable evidence, and therefore is a poor basis for recommending anything.
I'm glad distilled water woo woo worked for you, but it has absolutely no scientific basis.

Cheers,
Adam S

Looks like you are dead set against it, but as I said to the OP why not try it for a month or even less, I saw benefits in a matter of days. It will cost very little and I don't see how drinking a few glasses of distilled water could do any harm.

Our creator, whether you believe in God, Allah, Mother nature or whatever sends us distilled water from the sky almost daily. In fact if you turn loose a dog or other animal it will drink from a rain puddle rather than a bowl of tap water.

But I suspect that is not scientific enough for you.


You said "Lastly, it is widely regarded amongst the scientific world that personal experience is the lowest form of reliable evidence, and therefore is a poor basis for recommending anything."

To that I can only say I am thankful that I am not of the scientific world.
 
artie":30l42ce6 said:
........... In fact if you turn loose a dog or other animal it will drink from a rain puddle rather than a bowl of tap water...........
Our cat (who is always kept supplied with a dish of clean tap water) prefers to trot off down the garden and drink from the fish pond. :roll: Not sure what she's trying to tell us.
 
artie - I presume you've actually tried a few glasses of tap water a day for a month so you know the difference between the affects of tap water and the affects of distilled? Just a thought. You might have just been dehydrated.
 
Hi Richard,
I have bad arthritis in my right index finger it is bent ,twisted and sore.I tried plain copper and was not impressed ,I then tried copper with magnets and that was better,I now use a magnetic wrist band(no copper).I can now clench my fist (with pain) but I can bend the finger,If I take it off for a day or two I soon know about it as the pain is intensified.All I can say is that it works for me.

Peter
 
phil.p":24i74ezd said:
artie - I presume you've actually tried a few glasses of tap water a day for a month so you know the difference between the affects of tap water and the affects of distilled? Just a thought. You might have just been dehydrated.

Fair point but I did drink a few glasses of tap and sometimes well water for many many years.

I tried distilled water almost two years ago because my finger joints were inflamed and showing red, my right little finger would only close 2/3 way. My right shoulder hurt after a minimum of effort and my elbows kept me awake at night after a hard day.

Within a week of drinking a few glasses of distilled water daily, the inflammation left my finger joints and eventually my shoulder and elbows improved. Nowadays I only get a twinge in my shoulder if I work really hard and I haven't had pain in my elbows for months.
 
Fair enough if you don't want to continue a discussion, but surely you know that distilled water is not the same as rain water?
Distilled water is water(from whatever source) that has been purified (i.e. removed of particulate and dissolved matter) through a process of, say, ion exchange resin or boiling off and the vapour collected and condensed back into liquid. There are various purity levels depending on the end use.

Cheers,
Adam S
 
I think we can all agree that drinking sufficient fluids will have a positive effect on someone who may previously have been a little dehydrated. Most of us will also agree that the placebo effect is very real and suggesting someone benefits from it should not be taken as an insult or suggestion that the person concerned is any way deluded. It is also fair to say that copper and magnets are no more effective than a placebo, so could be more effective than doing nothing at all, for some people.

I have my own anecdote indirectly related to the original subject. I used to be completely vegetarian but a few years ago I was persuaded to start eating fish again. Before that I had issues with my wrists, often when using a screwdriver, and in my neck when it seemed I could hear the joints moving when turning my head. Both symptoms have pretty much disappeared since I added fish to my diet. It's possible that my diet was deficient in a few minerals, or this could also be the placebo effect, one anecdote does not prove anything of course. I have no inclination to add supplements to my diet as I do believe the research that has generally found no benefit to taking extra.
 
Pete Maddex":1r357gvo said:
The plural of anecdote isn't proof.

Pete

Certainly wasn't suggesting that, I really have no way of knowing why it got better.

I originally clicked on this thread because my partner is getting joint pain which has been superficially diagnosed as arthritis (I think the doctor said 'it's probably arthritis' when she described the symptoms and that's as far it went) but she is convinced that the cure is to live in a warm country in the winter. While I can see this may make it more comfortable I'm not happy that she won't get a full investigation and has already ruled out taking any medication. I'm pretty sure this is due to googling web sites full of scare stories about side affects. I may forward Eric's reply to try to provide a bit of balance.
 
I am on fourteen different prescription drugs at the moment and due an angioplasty and possibly an artery bypass or another amputation on Thursday. I refuse to Google anything. It would just inform me that I'm already dead. :D
 
You and me both Phil. When I go to the oncologist in the big city , he always looks surprised to see me. He checks the dates on my files , does some mental math and then asks if this is really my name on the files. If you will pardon my saying so , I live for those moments. Just had the 4 year anniversary of a stage 4 diagnosis with a psa count that caused the first doc to choke and sputter . Guess I'm to contrary to kick off by the numbers, and intend to stay that way. Sorry for the minor hi-jack.
 
My father swears by devil's claw.

For years I had the idea it must be toe clippings of a beast from the foothills of Tibet. Turns out its a plant!

I have a 25 litre drum of distilled water at work, used for topping up forklift batteries, I might get funny looks if I start drinking it.

Can you actually buy distilled water for drinking, or is a trip to Halfords?
 
Thank you all for the replies, I myself do not suffer from arthritis .However a good friend does.
I called to see him yesterday and he had purchased some copper insoles and a copper flask. Time will tell ??? But I hope he feels better
DISTILLED WATER best if is 14 years old and from Scotland!!!
Richard
 
I suffer from osteo arthritis in the spine (neck) and to a lesser degree the hips (I no longer walk, so it doesn't have that much affect) and I don't blame anybody clutching at straws for one moment. My mother when she was dying used to see a reiki woman - she always felt much better afterwards. No matter how irrational, hey ho! job done!
 
RogerP":13296ra2 said:
Our cat (who is always kept supplied with a dish of clean tap water) prefers to trot off down the garden and drink from the fish pond. :roll: Not sure what she's trying to tell us.

Do you perchance cycle the water in your fish pond with a fountain or oxygenating pump or something (which is, of course, good for the fish)? Cats have an instinctive desire to drink running water if at all possible, because in the wild stagnant water quickly goes bad. You can get a variety of "Cat Fountains" for your pet which have small pumps in to cycle the water, which generally makes them much happier to drink indoors. Of course, there will always be exceptions!





Here's my anecdote: I used to drink nothing but filtered water all the time, because I was worried that the chlorine in tap water was possibly aggravating my acid reflux. Then about half a year ago my filter got lost and I had to drink tap water at work - and around the same time, my acid reflux largely cleared up and stopped bothering me. The mains water at the office I work in is supplied from a local spring, I'm told - comes up through the ground and gets filled with all kinds of muck before its brief journey through the processing/pumping plant and into our pipes.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with any other medical change I've had over the last year, of course...

RobinBHM":13296ra2 said:
Can you actually buy distilled water for drinking, or is a trip to Halfords?

Not to the best of my knowledge - because spring water is generally much better for you and also (happy coincidence) much cheaper to produce.


If you want distilled water for drinking then it's not hard to make it at home, and that's probably the best approach. All the distilled water I've seen available to buy off the shelf of late either comes from retailers and suppliers who aren't versed in basic hygiene operations because the water isn't considered potable (e.g. Halfords) or is actually de-ionised water and has been pre-perfumed for ironing with or whatever. I wonder whether our advocate means 'distilled' and not 'spring' or 'mineral' water (which is, of course, full of bits of rock)?


Of course, distilled water isn't going to be 100% H2O either. The production process is simply to boil water and condense and capture the steam, but... there are a lot of things in your average tap or river water which boil more readily than H2O, and therefore will also turn gaseous and end up in your condensate. Like Chlorine, or Ammonia! Look at the label image on this product, for example - and note the "not for human consumption".

I'd rather drink the tap water with the small quantity of nutritious sludge per gallon than increase the proportion of Ammonia I'm drinking. The safest way I know of to get proper pure water is to burn hydrogen in a high oxygen environment (which is a bit dangerous) and capture the steam from that reaction and condense it. You'd need to use a perfectly clean distillery set, of course, but you could probably manage a decent approximation with careful and slow fractional distillation... but honestly, either of those methods easily push the cost-per-litre up to the point where I'd rather just have the (still relatively small quantity of) ammonia!

And of course the sludge contains things which are good for you. If people judged the nutritional benefit of their food entirely based on instinctive visual appeal, passionfruit would be considered toxic and Haribo would be included on every dietitian's list...
 

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