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Hi all
Has anyone tried a copper bracelet ,or has one on their wrist for use against arthritis. Do they work or a complete waste of cash??
Richard
 
My wife used one for years and reckoned it worked so I got one and it did nothing, there are some with magnets in too but don't know much about them.
One funny thing i did hear was somebody didn't like the fact the copper bracelet made their wrists grubby so the dipped the bracelet in plasticote which sealed the copper in lol
 
From personal experience:

  • Copper/magnetic bracelets: placebo, if that. And makes your clothes and wrist green.
  • Fish oil, herbal pills, etc.: Effective for transfer of resources (cash) from patient to supplier (read the research)
  • Lifestyle changes: losing weight, getting gentle exercise, diet*, physio, etc. Certainly help, esp. if applied early on.
  • Really good consultant rheumatologist: potentially life changing (if you're referred early enough).

Arthritis comes in two basic scourges:

Osteo- is damage caused by accident or (most commonly) wear and tear. Generally can't be cured. Symptoms (pain) can be reduced by drugs, and severe damage alleviated by surgical intervention, depending on which joints are being considered (they told me hand surgery would have a worse outcome than leaving well alone). Hip and knee replacements can be very effective, but the success rate drops off markedly if the patient is overweight (or just big), and for second and any subsequent attempts (hard to get good fixings for the rawlplugs).

Rheumatoid is joint damage caused by immune system misbehavior. There's a huge range of conditions, some causing bone damage, some only affecting soft tissue/cartilage. There's a range of different tests to tell if you're susceptible to certain things, if the disease is active, and how active. Even joint temperature can be an indicator. Treatments are amazing nowadays. I'd even say reversal of symptoms is possible depending on what type it is (definitions overlap a lot), how long you've had it and how advanced it is. Most treatments are blunt instruments (there's clever stuff, but it's very expensive AND a right PITA to receive because of the delivery methods and tests during treatment).

In both sorts pain management is possible (cue the entertaining drugs...), and physio/occupational therapy (cue the entertaining occupational therapists...).

I've spent most of my life in engineering of one sort or another. I believe in cause & effect, and that things should stand up to scrutiny through the scientific method - if you can't find an association through statistical analysis, and if an effect isn't reproducible, then it's probably not real.

Most of the folklore stuff is based on misreading/misunderstanding/deliberate misuse of research, or simply making exaggerated claims (e.g. fish and fish oils are generally good for you, so is olive oil, but no extracts will miraculously heal/reverse/stop your arthritis, and human joints aren't lubricated like C19th steam engines, and certainly not directly by what goes into your stomach).

My advice: don't plss about with folklore: go see your GP, having first thought about exactly what hurts, how and under what circumstances. Get a referral if it's rheumatoid. There is highly competent help out there, and effective treatments, but most of the vitamin supplements and over the counter stuff (magnets, copper, etc) are absolute hogwash, and clinically proven to be so.

Sorry to be blunt, but I get really angry about the con-artist industry that's grown up peddling junk to people. It's worse in the USA where, because medicine is private, people self-medicate a lot more. Here everyone has a right to be properly assessed, and effective treatments prescribed (if they exist).

I'm in my 56th year. My arthritis started when I was 26-27. I wish (oh how I wish!), the stuff that's available now had been there thirty years ago. I'm feeling better than I have for many years, because the drugs I'm on do work (but take effect over a really long period of time), and the OTs' and Physios' exercises and advice do make a real difference (saved me from having a permanently bent spine, for a start), but most of the damage happened in the first few years or so, and what's gone can't be brought back again.

So get a move on: go see your GP. If it's osteo- there is pain relief and physio/OT advice available. If it's rheumatoid, it may still be possible to do something about it.

How long do you expect to live? How bad do you want your joints to be in your last decade or so? Do you want to trust that to purveyors of herbal pills and copper bracelets, or to people who've spent a decade or more in medical training and research the subject?

E.

*even the diet thing is NOT general. it all depends on exactly why you are getting the issues in the first place.
 
+1 for what Eric says! I too get angry at the B/S, the "what doctors don't want you to know", the "follow this simple remedy" (after paying us money), which was always bad but the internet makes it prevalent, and attractive to desperate idiots.

I have the osteo type with other cartilage/ligament issues since my 30s. Physio did well enough till I was 72, then had a new knee which really does seem miraculous, after an extraordinarily efficient NHS experience (South Warwickshire NHS Trust). Just started the process for the other knee now, and can't wait to have it done.

Keith
 
I have got to admit I have and use one , I struggle with pain in the wrists and 3 fingers , and to be fair I find it works , it is the copper job with two magnets the size of a 5p which rest against the inside of your wrist . If I forget to wear it for a few days I notice it . It was not a cheap one and has strong magnets , it does say at first not to wear it to constantly at first and to acclimatise your body to the magnets . I thought what a load of tosh and chucked it on for the first day , and I felt a bit funny . But all in all I find it works for me .

As a coincidence , I smoke , rollies , and where the magnets are I get bad nicotine stains , not kidding , Worse than my grandads fingers were and he was a very heavy smoker of the infamous woodbines !
 
Eric has made a truly excellent summary of quack medicine, real medicine, and the types of arthritis you may be effected by, and treatments thereof.

Copper bracelets (with or without magnets) are far more effective at relieving you of cash than they are of relieving symptoms of arthritis, be it rheumatoid or osteo. If you find that they work for you, great, but it's far more likely you had a sprained joint (that would get better on its own anyway) rather than actual arthritis.

On a quite separate note (belying the inner pedant), it isn't nicotine that stains your fingers, it is tar pure and simple. Nicotine is colourless.

Adam
 
Reading this thread with interest, I've just returned to the land of the compos mentis after 3 days of being high as a kite from having the front end of my foot re-built due to arthritis on Wednesday. It is interesting to read of others experience and think I wont bother with the bands etc and just rely on the proven working methods.
@ Kalimna,with me being an extroverted and very annoying pedant I just had to inform you it's affected not effected :lol: :wink:
 
To effect: to do something or to make it happen: The lawyer effects an arrest by turning up with handcuffs, a warrant and two big police officers.

To affect: to alter something else: The arrest attempt was ineffective*: The criminal affected it by virtue of having a couple of big, hungry barking dogs, thus causing the police officers to run away.

The result of something affecting something else is the effect: The effect of the dogs was marked and sudden.

Oh, and...

To impact: Beloved of politicians and rather thick civil servants, but actually NOT A VERB AT ALL (unless you are a dentist). An impact is the sudden and violent collision of two objects, not a changing of one thing by another (that is an effect).

The police van hit the bollard. The impact was loud but not damaging to anything other than the driver's pride. It did affect the arrest though: because the van couldn't give chase, the villain got away.

"Evenin' All."

*technically, this is a tautology!
 
@ kalimna yes but you were refering to the subject rather than the object of the sentence and therefore, although the arthritis does indeed have an effect, you were discussing the person affected. :)
 
I am sceptical about the copper bracelet. But here is a cheap and easily verified treatment.

Drink a few glasses of distilled water each day for a month.

Tell me if you don't feel better. I bet you will notice an improvement in days.

The more you drink the better up to 7 or 8 pints max.
 
artie":2dp6sjql said:
Drink a few glasses of distilled water each day for a month.

Does it have to be distilled or can I drink the water that still has all the good bits left in? ;-)

(I drink several pints of water every day already, and I haven't developed arthritis yet. Obviously it works!)
 
JakeS":bjmkadfa said:
artie":bjmkadfa said:
Drink a few glasses of distilled water each day for a month.

Does it have to be distilled or can I drink the water that still has all the good bits left in? ;-)

It needs to be distilled, drinking lots of water is reportedly good for you. You can do a google search on the benefits of distilled water.

If you are drinking tap water there are not many good bits in.
 
The good bits in tap water are the water molecules and dissolved ions. Distilled water has essentially zero nutritional content. You are deluding yourself (and your wallet) if you think there is any health benefit to distilled over tap.
A persons health is not something that should be left to google-based quackery.
Sorry for coming on strong, but I have strong feelings on the matter, and have seen the desperate consequences of drinking too much water.

Cheers,
Adam
 
mikefab":sjbogsbf said:
Artie: reference please.

Sounds like totally misinformed nonsense which you would do well not to spread.

Personal experience. The only reason to recommend anything.
 
Kalimna":16j5h00x said:
The good bits in tap water are the water molecules and dissolved ions. Distilled water has essentially zero nutritional content. You are deluding yourself (and your wallet) if you think there is any health benefit to distilled over tap.
A persons health is not something that should be left to google-based quackery.
Sorry for coming on strong, but I have strong feelings on the matter, and have seen the desperate consequences of drinking too much water.

Cheers,
Adam

Yes you are coming on a bit strong but that is your right.

I speak from personal experience and passed it on in the hope that someone else might benefit.

If he or anyone wants to try it and see if it benefits them good if not I don't give a flying ....
 

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