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Let's just hope the spiders don't get her...... (see post in General Woodworking for details......)
 
Yup -

Alf has a talent for writing...but that's no surprise to anyone who's been in here more than a week... :shock:

10,000 + posts doesn't just happen by accident.... :wink:

Cheers -

Rob
 
Great article. I've got a Peace saw with a right handed handle that I am gonna replicate one of these days. It is a very comfy handle to hold. :p
 
Nick W":83wmc8vo said:
Interesting. Did you spot the saw set for 12-26 tpi saws here?
The Somax sets are lesser quality remakes of the venerable Eclipse--made in your own back yard.

Oh, while it says up to 26 ppi, and it *could* do it, the anvil will bend the tooth too far down and the strike pin is a little fat as is at that ppi. All modifiable, though.

These are sets I recommend in my saw sharpening classes. Great value for the money...for those of us who don't want to have an (vintage) Eclipse sent from England.

As for the model of which Eclipse...I'll leave that to someone who knows as it's been a long time since I tracked it down.

Take care, Mike
 
I sent a congrats to Alf Towers yesterday. I had known it was going to be published, just not when--so here's a public Congratulations!

Take care, Mike
 
Paul,

what is the meaning of over here?

This side of the pond? Look here (scroll down)
not the same, but good.
But you can get an eclipse 77 (they are so darn cheap over there)
an file the stamp as small as you need.

Alf,

nice handle 8) Any chance to get a .pdf of the handle-pattern? :roll: :D

Cheers Pedder

As Mike said (must write faster)
 
So it's not just the #77 then? (I have seen #78 and #79 but don't know what the difference is) I always thought the Stanley #42SS was supposed to be the bees knees

Scrit
 
Oh dear, you've all got me worried now. I ordered one from The States. :oops:

Mike,
Any chance of a how-to on the mods needed?
 
bugbear":11322tu9 said:
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/prodimg/gt/pdf/GT-DKITXX_INST.pdf
Mike mentioned them to me yesterday but I had yet to chase them down. Seems there's every chance that kerf-sawing tip will finally break through into the woodworking collective consciousness then. :D

Anyway, it's interesting that this article seems to have generated more reaction than others - thanks, folks. Must admit to a slight feeling of fraud to be sharing space with a proper writer like what Chris Schwarz is... I dunno how he manages to come up with so much - my cupboard is now horribly bare. :?

Pedder, seeing as I have the template (somewhere) I can have a go at scanning it if you like? It's quite a small grip though, I warn you.

Cheers, Alf
 
Hi Nick,

The anvil on the Somax is basically a piece of cheap metal--all but pot metal (could actually be). I don't know how well it grinds/files, but here are two issues.

For up to 18 ppi, you can get away with the width of the strike pin, and probably could even higher. Looking straight down on it you would see the sides of the pin is chamfered. But the flat on the end is still a bit wide (1 mm? I forget). I file those down a little narrower.

For the anvil, like the Eclipse, it is a disc with a chamfer which is narrow at the 12 setting (btw, those numbers are an index setting to remember what to reset it to, they do not indicate the ppi/tpi settings), and gradually increases in depth as it goes around the disc to the 1 setting. It is that chamfer which is both too deep across the face (affects where on the tooth the bend starts) as well as how far over the tooth will bend.

So this disc needs to have the face carefully filed/stoned to reduce both where the tooth bends as well as how far it bends in order to do really small teeth.

Now, I mentioned I don't know how well the supplied anvil disc files. That's because I replace them on ours for heavy duty use with a hardened steel one. As sold, the Somax will last a person for moderate use the remainder of their life. I just set and did the final sharpen on 43 saws thus far today (it's just after noon here). That kind of use would kill off the Somax's anvil in short order.

I think a have a half dozen Somax sets around here. I suspect the above is confusing--sorry. So sometime tonight I'll take one apart and file it down, taking pics as I go and post it tonight/tomorrow.

Oh, one more thing. Disregard what some web sites say about what number of teeth per inch the Somax sets are for. Just know that the gold colored one will do saws from 5 ppi to 9/10 ppi well and the blue one from 10 ppi to about 16 as shipped (expecting how far over it bends the tooth on its lightest setting--use light pressure on teeth that small). The only difference is the width of the strike pin (I think Dick referenced above tells the width). The anvils are identical in shape and numbering.

Till later, take care, Mike
 
Hi Mike -

We carry the the blue one too - and only recommend it for 4-12 TPI... anvil is about 1/16" wide...

Have to say that I'd personally defer to your expertise wrt longevity... you've probably set/sharpened more saws this week than most will do in a lifetime.... :lol:

Cheers -

Rob

(wasn't it you that prompted that correction?)
(ah - found it.... you found the anvil narrow for under 10 TPI...)
 
The blue one's strike pin isn't adequate for teeth of the size a panel or larger saw has due to the thickness of the steel.

The numbers are only an index--which is why both the gold and blue ones have identical anvils. It is the strike pin's width which differs on either one. Everything else excepting the color is the same.

The blue one's narrow strike pin can deform (bend) in use if trying to push the thick steel a 4 ppi saw has. It also takes more hand pressure to push the large teeth over.

Which is why Somax makes both versions :wink:

It's just that their interpretations as to which is appropriate for what saws suck :lol:

Take care--gotta finish packing...Mike
 
Alf":2z5k898l said:
Pedder, seeing as I have the template (somewhere) I can have a go at scanning it if you like? It's quite a small grip though, I warn you.

Alf,

I would be chuffed about a scan. If it is too small, I can increase it by printing :wink:


Cheers Pedder
 
Saw Sets:

The Eclipse model for hand saws is the #77. As commented these are widely available in the UK, going for between 1-5 pounds depending on style of shop and condition.

Be aware that the old ones (as usual...) ar a little nicer made, and have narrower pins than the newer ones.

In any case, the pin is always too wide for saw below 12-14 TPI.

The pin and anvil cannot be filed. They're hardened steel. They need grinding in some way.

Herewith...

http://nika.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswi ... 63#message

I later realised that if you alter the angle on the anvil, you need to alter the angle of the front face of the pin (as well as the width).

Patterns for handles; Alf; when you speak of searching for patterns on the internet, did you perchance trip across the site of the mighty Brian Bucker?

http://www.sydnassloot.com/bbuckner/saws.htm

BugBear (who keeps meaning to re-write the Eclipse #77 mod for his website)
 
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