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Trying to gauge the best way forward here. My grandmother in-law recently called out the local tv aerial company as she was 'having problems' with her TV reception. Cut a long story short, they sell her a freesat box for £105 even though he TV has Freeview. My brother in-law went around and turned the freesat box off and all the channels are there. SO she didn't need a Freesat box after all.

Just called the local aerial company up to try and understand how this happened and received a very short response and a "we would have done as the client instructed" given she recently put her DAB radio back in the cupboard and reinstated her analogue radio I get the impression she has no idea about technology.
 
I think I would politely ask for any cost to be refunded, or they'll get a few £1000s worth of bad press and Trading Standards involved. It would be good and noble to stop them ripping off other people, but realistically what you want is your money back. It's not difficult to do a lot of damage press wise - I don't think "We would have done as the client instructed" would go very far.
 
I don't know what to suggest, but you have my sympathy. My 86-year-old great aunt in Cumbria is regularly ripped off, but because they're "nice people" (meaning they drink tea and listen to her talk about being an evacuee and dairy farming) she won't have a word said against them.

I'm not talking about a few quid here or there, I mean thousands... £600 to change a radiator, £800 for an industrial pressure washer to clean a few paving stones, £200 to replace a fuse on an ancient sound system which belonged to her second husband.

She may only mention that she's had something done many months after the event, and as she's happy to pay the prices there's nothing we can do. Obviously we've offered time and time again to arrange with any tradesmen and research things for her but she's not interested.

Mark
 
I suspect the workmen said something like, "you should get a FreeSat box, it'll be much better, do you want us to fit one ?" Your GML said "Yes", maybe not understanding what was being offered. The company did act on instruction but of course they should be certain that the customer knows what they are being asked.
 
FJ - go for it!

By that I mean, a polite but firm call to the MD, with the threat of Trading Standards, and/or the police.

As you describe it, they've probably committed fraud: they didn't address the problem they were asked to, but supplied unnecessary goods at a high price (am assuming that she already has a sat dish, or was that included too?). If she still doesn't have a dish, of course no 'freesat' box can work, so that would definitely be criminal.

You will need any paperwork supplied, too, and to be absolutely certain of the story before proceeding. They might want to rectify the 'mistake', which is reasonable I suppose, but obviously that would involve putting matters right and refunding the money.

. . .

Was there a problem with her aerial installation? We have had a very wet winter so far, so it's possible water's got into the downlead (they have what's known as an 'air dielectric', which is air spaces in the middle of the cable around the central solid wire, and these can fill with water). It should have a downward-hanging loop on the outside wall, immediately before the point where it comes into the property. This is to prevent water running down the cable into the building, or worse, into the equipment itself. You might prick the underside of this with a pin (go in halfway) to see if anything drips out, but it's not a definitive all-clear if there's nothing. If the cable can drain somehow, it will appear to be OK after periods of dry weather, but go bad after a lot of rain.

If the cable is waterlogged, the only solution is to replace it and often the aerial too (it usually gets in at the top from the aerial's junction box).

Other common winter weather issues include water in the connection box up on the aerial itself, high winds causing the aerial to be blown off alignment (most common if she's on a repeater rather than a main transmitter, as their vertical polarization mean the aerials present more wind resistance), chimney lashings coming loose/undone allowing the aerial to sag downwards, and bits simply blowing off. The other common culprits are the sockets fitted indoors, and the connecting cable between the wall socket and the TV - I've rarely seen co-ax plugs (Belling-Lee) that are properly made off by aerial contractors, and in fact it's quite hard to do well as they're not great connectors to start with). Whatever is wrong, It's almost always something electro-mechanical.

Digits ("Freeview" ones) are deceptive: on a fine day everything will be fine, in poor conditions nothing will be viewable. There are stages in between, but generally it's all or nothing for any given channel. But the channels that "suddenly disappear" depend a lot on the individual transmitter and aerial set up at the house:

The digital switchover has left a number of places with rather sub-optimal channel assignments, making it hard to make (let alone purchase!) a suitable aerial to cover all the MUXes. This is a good place to start for transmitter information: http://tx.mb21.co.uk/info/index.shtml . Note that the word 'channel' means two confusing things in this context - the TV channel (e.g. BBC-1), and the allocated frequency at the transmitter, which nowadays carries one or more multiplexes ("MUXes"), each in turn carrying several TV and radio channels, and even other stuff like data pages, etc.

The high RF channel numbers will almost always fail first (higher frequencies get lost more easily because of water in the cables and the other possible faults), but there's little apparent logic to the MUX-to-channel assignments. In the old days it was one radio frequency channel per TV channel, but that's no longer the case.

So find out which transmitter her aerial is looking at, look up which TV channels are on which RF channels, and ask which ones are disappearing. The aerial installers should have asked some basic questions and done some simple tests to establish what the problem was.

Hope the above is useful.

E.

PS: In analogue TV days, the most suitable aerial to have was a Yagi design (traditional UHF TV aerial). They are difficult to make to allow for modern channel assignments and for other technical reasons. The good installers will offer Log Periodic aerials as alternatives (they look a bit like xylophones, with a long triangular arrangement). These are usually a better choice for all but odd, marginal coverage areas. That said, about 95% of homes did _not_ need to change their aerials at all after the digital switchover (unless they were faulty in the first place). It's been a nice money-spinner for a bunch of unscrupulous people for quite a few years now, but the 'opportunity' is tailing off now. For another trustworthy reference site (and a good laugh), try Bill's: http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/ .
 
Was it a company, or someone with a van with just a mobile number!
 
+1 for weather related.
We had a perfectly good signal for years after the switch-over but last year we started to get drop outs during bad weather. Seems some adjustments had been made to transmitters which meant our old analogue aerial was no longer up to the job. We had a new aerial fitted by a local business, can't remember how much exactly but I remember thinking it was good value.
Signal has been fine ever since.
Maybe they wanted a quick sale rather than spend a few hours up on the roof. The cost to GML may have been about the same.
 
mseries":3rf3urs1 said:
I suspect the workmen said something like, "you should get a FreeSat box, it'll be much better, do you want us to fit one ?" Your GML said "Yes", maybe not understanding what was being offered. The company did act on instruction but of course they should be certain that the customer knows what they are being asked.

Of course, if they believed (in the light of their training and/or experience) that installing a Freesat box for £100 was a guaranteed solution, whereas tracing a freeview signal difficulty would be an open-ended-charged-by-the-hour procedure, they might have chosen
the most cost effective solution.

I'm not saying this IS what happened, but it can't be dismissed out of hand.

EDIT; I seem to have restated what Rob just said.

BugBear
 
Satellite v Terrestrial TV ? For me the terrestrial equipment has been more reliable though my aerial and cable is indoors whereas my satelite dishes were outdoors. I am in a strong signal area with near line of sight to a powerful transmitter which is < 20km away
 
phil.p":30yxwq5c said:
ChrisR":30yxwq5c said:
Name and Shame. :twisted:

Take care.

Chris.
While we're on the subject of rip offs - have you changed your electricity supplier yet? They're the worst of the lot. :D

No, not even considered it.

Chris.
 
My total consumption is only an average of .60p per/day, so my yearly payment is less than half of £450.00.

I must admit though that I am very mean, when it comes to energy consumption.
I keep a day by day record, to make sure I am not going over, drives the long haired boss mad. :evil:

Take care.

Chris.
 
flanajb":2rp7l8w3 said:
Trying to gauge the best way forward here. My grandmother in-law recently called out the local tv aerial company as she was 'having problems' with her TV reception. Cut a long story short, they sell her a freesat box for £105 even though he TV has Freeview. My brother in-law went around and turned the freesat box off and all the channels are there. SO she didn't need a Freesat box after all.

Just called the local aerial company up to try and understand how this happened and received a very short response and a "we would have done as the client instructed" given she recently put her DAB radio back in the cupboard and reinstated her analogue radio I get the impression she has no idea about technology.

What does the invoice say? Why didn't BIL check before? Was it a freesat box i.e connected via pre existing satellite dish instead of an ancient aerial connected with a naff old length of co-ax that delivers a ***** signal. In light of your recent foray into business what do you think a fair price would have been?
 
I just wonder if they felt that the reception was bad and that a dish would be better than an aerial? I'm not saying the company is innocent but it could be that they genuinely felt that this was the best course of action.


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