2nd hand Record TSPP250?

[Halo Jones]

I currently have a Ryobi ETS1825 and have found it ok but noisy and it has funny mitre slots.

I have the chance at getting the Record TSPP250 for only £100. Is it going to be worth it. The record seemed to get very mixed reviews but I assume it will still be a major upgrade when compared with the Ryobi (which I could proabably sell for more than£100!).

Any thoughts welcome.

Cheers,

Halo

 

[RogerP]

If I were offered a Record TSPP250 for a hundred quid I'd be there buying. You can't go wrong at that price!

 

[Halo Jones]

Hmmm. Thought it was maybe too good to be true. The guy has just fessed up that the motor is not turning but that there is power going to the motor. Is it easy enough to get spares for Record machinery?

 

[RogerP]

I thought there'd be a catch at that price - they're £700+ new. Well, a new 2hp (1500w) induction motor can be had from Axminster for £116 but of course it may be something cheaper and simpler that's wrong.

 

[Mike.C]

Go for it, even with the new motor it's worth the money, and as Roger says it maybe cheaper.

The man you want to talk to is 9fiingers (Bob)

Cheers

Mike

 

[gardenshed]

having owned one even at that money I would walk away. IMHO It was a saw that promised a lot but delivered very little.

 

[Halo Jones]

@ gardenshed.

Could you please qualify what you mean. I seem to have read a lot of positive reviews from when the saw was first released and then lots of insinuations that things are bad/annoying (ie plastic bits breaking) with it which seem were fixed in later iterations of the saw. Could it be worse than the ryobi that I already have?

I am going to look at it tomorrow afternoon so any last thoughts would be welcome.

Cheers,

H.

 

[condeesteso]

I'm gob-smacked!! Buy it. There is a fair chance the motor is fixable (brushes are a possible bet, a few quid). If the armature turns that is a positive sign at least. There are places out there that fix motors day in, day out. And in worst case a new motor (did you call RP to ask how much, get the same... plug n play rather than getting something else to fix). It's a load of saw for the money, and I have always found that even moderate machines do well with a good blade, and careful set-up. I have a Scheppach 2500 but I could certainly work with this one, and get it singing!! I reckon there's a profit in it, fixed, so ... buy it!

p.s. I have an RP 500 bandsaw, and an RP4000 extractor. Some here frown upon RP a little - not fair I feel. A lot of solid no-messing engineering for the money. I would buy RP again. And their support is really good, they will probably quote to do a motor exchange or refurb.

 

[BTR]

When i got my record table saw tspp250 i read up a lot on table saws and i still bought it and well pleased with it for a 100 quid go for it a lot of table saw

 

[Halo Jones]

Well I just had to go for it. The guy I got it from was a truly top bloke. He said he inherited it and just had no use for it. He knew exactly how much it was worth but just wanted to see it used. It even has all the full sliding carriage which is still in its original rappings!!! He even gave me a rexon dust extractor to go with it. It gets better - my dad said he would buy the ryobi off me at what I paid for it so I have actually made £30 profit (well I through in the new freud blade I bought for the ryobi just so as not to ruin all the good karma so in theory I only broke even!) All I need now is a bigger workshop :shock:

Ok now to the minuses. The motor does not turn! You can hear it wanting to and see the blade vibrate but just does not turn over. everything seems to move freely with the power off so nothing seems jammed. Do these motors have a small starter motor or something similar. Can anyone give me a checklist of what to rule-out and to narrow it down to.

Cheers,

H.

 

[condeesteso]

Hi Halo - very well done! With sliding carriage too - rediculous.
Re motor, i assume / expect it's an induction motor. Think you need to get inside to see what the damage is... it's basically bearings each end and a wound rotor enclosed in a wound stator (outer) so very few moving parts... could just possibly be debris but usually they are quite well enclosed. But do ask RP about a refurb, or an exchange motor. If it is induction, it may need a rotor rewind for example. But you will end up with a huge bargain anyway!

( my previous mention of brushes was nonsense, sorry... I'm pretty sure it's an induction, brushless motor.)

 

[kostello]

if its an induction motor and the blade wobbles from side to side while the motor hums it sounds like the start capacitor has gone.

 

[Halo Jones]

if its an induction motor and the blade wobbles from side to side while the motor hums it sounds like the start capacitor has gone.

There is a rather large looking capacitor stuck on the side of the motor. With smaller capacitors you can tell they are blown because the top blows out. How can you tell with these larger ones?

 

[misterfish]

Bob (9fingers) is the motor guru who would no doubt help you get it sorted out. From what I remember in other posts people have posted the easiest way is to replace the capacitor and see if it works. Have a look at use-of-induction-motors-in-the-home-workshop-updated-iss2-t35143.html

Misterfish

 

[kostello]

"There is a rather large looking capacitor stuck on the side of the motor. With smaller capacitors you can tell they are blown because the top blows out. How can you tell with these larger ones?"


i'm sure there is a way to test them with a meter; but I can't remember...............

http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_6026547_test- ... itors.html

expalins how to......

capacitor is probably about £15????

 

[Halo Jones]

Well my dad is away to strip the motor but all is not looking good for a cheap fix. We got the motor running when removed from the saw but the plastic fan was totally melted and the whole motor was getting hellishly hot even after running for only a few minutes. It looks like the previous owners tried to keep running it when they shouldn't have.......

Will get on the phone tomorrow to RP to see how much a replacement motor will be.

 

[Halo Jones]

OK. The motor has been stripped and nothing looks disastrous and burnt out; bearings are fine and everything. We checked the capacitor (thanks to misterfish for links) and it looks dodgy. I've never bought such a large capacitor before and am slightly confused :? There is lots of info on the capacitor and I'm not sure what is essential and what is just preferable. If anyone has any advice on the following please help!

Labelling on current capacitor:
Mang HE
CBB60 SH
20 uF +/- 5% 450VAC
50/60 Hz 25/70/21 CP
VDE 560-8 (VDE was in a triangle)

EN60252
NO:127898

YAN CHENG HONG XING

Now. It is easy to find 20 uF 450VAC 50/60Hz capacitors. It is the 25/70/21 CP that is causing me confusion. 25/85/21 CP versions are available from Maplins. Would these be OK?

thanks,

H.

 

[misterfish]

I think the numbers you refer to are to do with temperature - basically the ambient temperature working limits. It looks as if the old one was a maximum of 70 degrees C whereas the one you've found will tolerate up to 85 degrees C. You need to make sure that the melted cooling fan is repaired as cooling is important! It may be that it was left switched on 'buzzing' and just overheated - the thing is you don't know if the windings have any internal heat damage. If the capacitor isn't too expensive then why not try it. The worst case is that you need to get a new motor from Axminster or Machine Mart.

Misterfish

 

[Halo Jones]

Update:

I took the motor to a local repair shop who gave it the once over and diagnosed a short in one of the windings. £250 for the rewind. So, repair is not an option. Record-P want £210 for a replacement motor whereas axminster and machine mart offer 2 hp motors for ~£100. Unfortunately these motors are too long to fit in the saw and are only foot mounted whereas the original motor is face mounted.

So the challenge is to find a 2 hp induction motor that is only 250 mm in length, preferably face mounted (although I can make a bracket if foot mounted), with a spindle that is 16 mm diameter. I've had a look on the internet and the first few links offer no price advantage on getting a direct replacement from Record-P (why is there such a price increase from foot to face mounted motors??)

Short of cutting a hole in the side body of the saw to accept the axminster motor does anyone have a better idea or can anyone advise of a good contact? I would really like to spend closer to £100 to get this thing up and running.

Cheers,

H.