2.8m Long Table; 4 or 6 legs?

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dzj":40102r4g said:
A made a pair of such tables. 3m x 1.5m. Four legs, Oak, no breadboards.
(2009, where has the time gone, eh?)

Hello Djz,

Nice tables. They look like they could withstand anything.
What is the top's thickness & the apron dimensions please?

Is that an architrave under the top.. I have never seen that before.

Thanks
Togs
 
MikeG.":2ktkp70x said:
I'm wondering about your forum name, Togalosh. Is it based on the Southern and Eastern African boogie-man? I know him as Tokolosh, and we have a statue in the corner of the lounge be bought in, I think, Malawi.

Yes, from South Africa as I know of them (& further afield no doubt as the 'black' /***** /bantu cultures & languages have the same common & recent origin from central Africa).. but I spelt it wrongly by mistake a long time ago & I kept it. It is really not the best thing to associate myself with or go by as you really do not want a real Tokalosh in your house !.. unless it's yours of course.
 
Togalosh":2hpal1fm said:
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You are correct in your opinion that the tail is wagging the dog.. I will hire another van & make the table as it must be made. I still have to carry the thing in by myself & they don't make gluten free wheatabix ..

Thanks
Togs
I've done big ones with the top held by buttons. I put the top on the roof rack and the frame inside the van. Inset legs makes a shorter frame!
Then carry it in in two pieces and entertain the client while you put it back together upside down.
 
Togalosh":ptohr0qw said:
Hello Djz,

Nice tables. They look like they could withstand anything.
What is the top's thickness & the apron dimensions please?

Is that an architrave under the top.. I have never seen that before.

Thanks
Togs
Hi,
The tables were built for a semi-basement room. Because of their size and weight, getting them down the staircase wasn't possible, so we opted for the windows. Unfortunately, they were only about a meter wide, so the tables had to be finished in the shop, taken apart and re-assembled on site.
The top is ~4cm Oak and the apron was IIRC 10cm x 4cm Beech with 2 or 3 cross members. The legs were bolted with twin hanger bolts and heavy duty metal corner braces. There was no traditional joinery, but rather all elements were affixed with carriage bolts (drilled through the apron) and a variety of braces.
The architrave/ moulding was there to cover the unsightly apron. It was made as a 'free floating' frame so the miters wouldn't open up due to seasonal movement.
The tabletop had to be made in two 3m x .75m parts. They were connected with a series of connector bolts and indexed with 10mm dowels .

Nowadays their kids play ping pong on them. Sic transit... :)
 
Togalosh":1y57tvgl said:
Jacob":1y57tvgl said:
Togalosh":1y57tvgl said:
.......Pictures here, 2.5m table
http://interiorboutiques.com/product/an ... ...........

Ha .. that's it. It's stood the test of time too & yes that extra overhand at the end looks good.
Nice one Jacob.....
I wonder about the top - it's not as nicely made as the undercarriage - could be sawn off bread board ends, or even a new top with old boards?

The top is surprisingly thin & the legs suspiciously coloured..
I thought the legs were fine but the top a bit thick and unfinished - you can see the tongues and grooves. 25mm would be fine but it looks a bit like re-cycled heavy floor boards.
NB most of the tables shown in this thread seem to be massively over size in detail, bomb-proof seems to be a fashion, or just people being over cautious?
Look at Richards guitar top: guitar-2-t115847.html?hilit=guitar
Only 2 or 3mm thick but rigid and stable. If you scaled this up 10 times to make 3m wide table it'd only be about 30mm thick; OK with well thought out bracing.
OTOH Andy's cautiously engineered heavy design like a helicopter landing pad! pedestal-table-design-question-t115777.html
 
Togalosh":3s4gkvf8 said:
You say a 30mm thick (side to side ? ) apron.. I thought the height (top to bottom) was the crucial measurement... What would you recommend for the height (top to bottom ) ?

You raise an interesting point. The reason I emphasised the thickness of the apron is because the width (the top to bottom measurement) is constrained by the simple ergonomics of table design.

You don't want the top of the table to be much higher than about 30", in fact if the table will be regularly used by children you might want to lop an inch off that. But at the same time you don't want the bottom of the aprons to drop much below 23" or you won't have enough room for your knees to comfortably fit under, personally I prefer 24"-24 1/2"" of clearance. Dining chair seats are normally about 16" or 16 1/2" high and you want at the very minimum 6 1/2" thigh clearance, and 7 1/2" or 8" makes for a much more pleasant eating experience.

Because I mainly make tables designed for adults to eat at, they tend to have the top of the table at 30" high, and the bottom of the apron at 24 1/2" high. Given that the top will be 1"-1 1/4" thick it means my aprons are normally a shade over 4" wide. So with the width of the apron constrained, for a long table I'll therefore make the apron thickness at least 1 1/4", or 30mm. To give you an idea of what the proportions look like, here's a 2.0m long, breadboard end, eight seater table that I regularly make. I use the same basic scantlings for anything in the range 2.0-3.0m long.
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Hope that helps.

Incidentally, building on your South African comments earlier, if you ever get the chance you should pop into Surrey Timbers. The guy who runs it is South African and he keeps some amazing African timbers in stock, stuff that otherwise you'd never find in this country.
 

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Yes 30" high and 23" clearance. Then you have room for drawers but if not then 24 1/2" fine for highish chairs (above 18") and/or fat thighs.
Just been to the Black Country Museum, Dudley. A massive meeting room table there we reckoned at 3.4 x 1.2 metres (didn't take a tape - always take a tape everywhere you go!)
Very ordinary kitchen table design and construction, top about 35mm, aprons about 100 x 35, legs turned ex 100mm. Underside bodged by the museum but I reckon one cross piece in the middle, probably to DT housings in the apron. Maybe two? (Arthritic knees - I couldn't get down easily to have a look)
So no problem at all, just a normal table with slightly thicker top than a smaller one.
Only had a quick look and some snaps which I'll dig out shortly.
 
Bliss!
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When its gone, its gone, you know...
 
screwpainting":nuy8loq6 said:
Bliss!
The joy of a thread that gets the best of those that know, passing on such wonderful (to me) knowledge... I love this forum, thank you boys. =D>

When its gone, its gone, you know...
:lol:
Actually not so much "passing on " more dropping hints of where to find it i.e. in the very ordinary world of traditional joinery.
In this case in the committee room of The Workers Institute . A significant place in the history of British socialism. Keir Hardie probably sat at this table, and many other famous radicals, local and international ( sorry not really trying to annoy "them" :lol: )
The top. Plain pitch-pine wide boards, just edge glued I guess:
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Stuck the camera under. The bodged bearers underneath - I now see there were two - originally housed in that shallow mortice next to them? No sign of buttons - perhaps some pocket screws bodged in here and there. It doesn't take much to hold a heavy table top down - more a question of preventing it being lifted off when you try to move it. It doesn't actually need to be attached at all - it'd take six blokes to shift it. Hence the absence of buttons? Maybe just small locating blocks at the four corners and the top loose? Must go and have another look.
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Legs and extended end - very convenient for seating arrangements
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Another big but smaller table next to it
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PS Having thought about it - I reckon the top would not have been fixed at all. It would be impossible to move it accidentally but to move it on purpose would be easier as separates. Maybe a little block at each corner to relocate it in position?
 

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screwpainting":1hp677bo said:
Bliss!
The joy of a thread that gets the best of those that know, passing on such wonderful (to me) knowledge... I love this forum, thank you boys. =D>

When its gone, its gone, you know...

One problem you may face in making a 2.8m hardwood table is the weight. I'm fairly strong, but the table top alone for a table of that size is too much for me to lift once it's fully glued up. If there are two of you in the workshop it's no problem, but for a guy working on his own it's too big.
 
Oh Bol)(*& !.. my dogs have just deleted a really long reply by jumping on me as I was typing..

I am cream crackered & 1/2 asleep but just got time to say thanks for your replies & 1 quick question.

The table is coming on very well apart from me being 30mm short of timber for the long aprons. There is no one local with dry oak at 2.6m so am I daft/ridiculous to contemplate using 2 x 20mm boards glued & dowelled together ? Would the tenons be too weak?

Thanks
Togs
 
Make the other one 30mm shorter to match? Who's going to notice?
 
Jacob":1zqzndq6 said:
Make the other one 30mm shorter to match

+1

That or go and get a longer board.

Some sort of cobbled together work-around would be just awful.
 
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