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Good afternoon,

I wonder if anyone could help me identify the type of wood in this plank that I recently acquired from an old cabinet maker's workshop please. He informed me that he had had it lurking at the back of his workshop for decades. It is 82 1/2" in length, between 9 1/8" and 10 1/2" wide, and 2" thick. It weighs 20kg.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.
 

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Difficult to tell from a photo but you might just have yourself an extremely valuable board of Rio Rosewood, although 20kg does sound a touch light.

It's astonishing how many great timbers are just unavailable today, either from CITES export bans, disease or over foresting. But there must be some gorgeous specimen timber still tucked away in workshops up and down the country.
 
jce123":25uilz9s said:
Is there any way to find out for certain what it is?

Can't be done from a photo on a web site, it needs an experienced person to look at it directly, if you could get a very enlarged shot of a clean section of end grain that might help discount a few possibilities, but it still wouldn't be enough for an authoritative answer. The "what wood is this?" posts on this forum are little better than guessing games.

However, the fact that it's twenty or thirty years old and came from a cabinet maker's workshop does open the door to the possibility that it's a very valuable piece of timber. Indian rosewood sells today for about £300 a cubic foot, and that's in three or four foot lengths that are rarely wider than about five inches.

http://www.exotichardwoods.co.uk/Woods_ ... sewood.asp

You've got nearly two cubic feet, and in a single board that's much longer and wider than the Indian Rosewood for sale in the UK today, plus it's got a stunning grain and is defect free. If it really is top quality rosewood then that board would sell for £1000+.

But then again, maybe it's just some African tat and is only worth £100.

That's why you need to get an eyes on opinion from someone who knows what they're talking about, unfortunately the internet is full of arm chair pundits who are long on opinion but short on actual experience.

At least the dog seems to like it!
 
Yes, Mr. Hutch rather likes basking in the sun sat atop a (possibly) very valuable seesaw.

Ok, thanks very much for your help. I have now sanded down one end of the plank, perhaps that may help with the identification?

Is there someone/somewhere I can get in touch with and maybe send a sample for analysis to find out exactly what it is with 100% certainty?
 

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It's Rosewood. There, I've identified it for you. :D
It does not look like Indian Rosewood to my eyes. I've seen a lot of Indian Rosewood and it's extremely rare to see those sort of Orange hues.
If anything it looks much more like Brazilian or perhaps Cocobolo. If it is (and it's a big if) it's worth quite a bit of money.
What did it smell like when you sanded it?
 
Yes, it looks like rosewood and it smells like rosewood.....I think it is safe to say it is rosewood! But where from, that is the question. Who is the 'go to' guy who'd know for certain? Can a sample be tested in a lab perhaps?
 
There's a guy in the States called R. Bruce Hoadley who seems to be a real expert on this sort of thing. Also the guy who wrote "World woods in colour", but he's probably USA too. Might be worth asking Forestry Commission, or TRADA? At least they could probably point you to a UK expert.
 
MIGNAL":3h8h8hpi said:
It does not look like Indian Rosewood to my eyes. I've seen a lot of Indian Rosewood and it's extremely rare to see those sort of Orange hues.

Mignal, that's why it's impossible to positively identify timber from an internet photo, the original photograph almost certainly wasn't colour corrected and I doubt you're looking at it on a colour balanced monitor. So what you're looking at may bear very little resemblance to the original.

I've got four or five different rosewood boards in my workshop, a small piece of exquisite Rio Rosewood (Dalbergia Nigra) that was imported 40 or 50 years ago which is hands down the best rosewood I've ever seen, some older Indian (Dalbergia Latifolia), some Sonekeling (which is Indian but plantation grown and just not quite as good as the original), and what i think is Honduran (Dalbergia Stevenysonii) which isn't as attractive although it's remarkably heavy. They're all different in colour and texture but they're all genuine Rosewoods.

The stronger evidence that it's a special board is that a cabinet maker has had it for perhaps thirty years. Thirty years ago cabinet makers were spoilt for choice, they weren't even bothering with the Mexican stuff that we have to make do with today, so I hope he would have the good sense to only salt away something that was genuinely special even then.

Anyway, to the OP, here's some ideas,

1. Accurately weigh and measure it and calculate it's weight per cubic metre. The HMSO Handbook of Hardwoods (now sadly out of print) says both Rio and Indian Rosewood at 12% moisture content should weigh about 850Kg per cubic metre. Okay it's not a brilliant plan as there'll inevitably be a range of results, lots of other timbers will weigh about the same, and I don't know how you'd precisely measure the volume.

2. Get R. Bruce Hoadley's "Identifying Wood" from the library and see what you can find out. Still not brilliant as Hoadley is superb on temperate zone timbers but not great on tropicals.

3. Load the board into your car and go and see Bob at Timberline in Tonbridge in Kent. His is one of the few opinions I'd take as authorative when it comes to tropicals.

If all that sounds like too much trouble then PM me and I'll make you a very fair offer...but that only holds if I get it before Bob sees it!

Good luck.
 
I can do a full analysis and identify the wood. Just send it to me and I'll get you the answer in a couple of days. Unfortunately, the sample has to be large to be absolutely sure so, if you also send a stamped addressed envelope for the bit that's left, it would keep things simple.
 

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