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aldel

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I spent a very pleasant day out at Martin Godfrey's open day at Lower Godney on friday. Martin was demonstrating his new template systems for the 'Rat. These are still in development but but have reached a usable stage. I had permission to take some photos and I have posted them here
http://www.aldel.co.uk/Templates.htm

aldel
 
Aldel,
Thanks for posting these pictures. I have to say that as a long time fan of Woodrats, I find them deeply depressing!

Firstly, I shudder to imagine the cost of buying a rat and these things to do something a Leigh jig will in all probability do better and cheaper (the high cost of the Leigh notwithstanding!). Apart from anything else, they look ugly, clunky and generally the sort of thing Heath Robinson might have dreamt up.

Secondly, the cost of producing them and the subsequent lack of buying interest might just send Woodrat to the wall. At the same time the Godfreys are working on this, they ignore the obvious demand for simple accessories and even the machines themselves - their site says they have no stock! Craftsman Gallery had accessories for the Rat as soon as they started selling it. Knowing how sales of these things went would provide useful marketing intelligence for the further development of the Woodrat. Instead. Martin Godfrey seems to have responded to the critics of the machine who say it is too difficult to learn etc.


So, I would far rather see:
1. A greatly expanded range of training opportunities around the country
2. A useful, expanded range of accessories and better versions of existing ones
3. Sensible modifications to the existing machines that could be achieved inexpensively and make it easier to use or more capable. For example, it would not be hard to offer base-plates drilled to fit different routers. A well thought out EW stop would be a boon and so on.

OK rant over.
 
Mmm, 'fraid I find myself feeling pretty much what Chris describes about this. Gonna be plenty of fuel for the "too expensive, too complicated" nay-sayers, that's for sure. The improved channel is nice, but no blooming use to those of us already with a 'Rat. I'd sooner have some of the add-ons the Craftsman Gallery have come up with too, to be honest. Templates just seem like a backwards step for the 'Rat to me. :(

Cheers, Alf
 
First Aldel, thank you for both taking the time and expense to travel and do a wonderful job of reporting on these developments.

I do believe Chris' assessments are dead-on, though.

My own perception of the 'Rat is that it is not and cannot be forced to become a production machine. Not that one cannot be productive, but those are two seperate concepts.

In a working shop these days, if production combined with cost-effect dovetailed drawer solutions is desired, one doesn't even make their own drawers. I'm thinking kitchen cabinets and the like here. They are orderd and made by a company which does nothing but on industrial equipment.

Those shops still making their own drawers are using industrial-strength dovetailing equipment--or CNC. Mortise and tenons done with at minimum Multi-Routers or slot-morticers.

Even in low-production shops, a Leigh will earn its keep rather quickly. But in these types of shops I have seen, the Leigh was but a stop-gap until larger machinery was obtained.

None of the above equipment, though, fills the niche which the WoodRat does--one-off or low production furniture environments wherein the maker has "built-in" variability in their designs. Something canned production techniques are not flexible enough to handle [but not that they cannot].

When I made the decision to purchase my 'Rat, it was its flexibility and extensibility which help to make the decision. While I am but a customer of one, it seems to me that WoodRat ought to be focusing on who their customers are and seeking to enhance those attributes instead of seeking to satisfy a few nah-sayers by making jigs which seem to restrict and limit its use. In the search for simplicity, they are making it actually more comlicated than it is.

Tony's thread and the success of the Craftsman's Gallery doodads should help provide direction. As well, your own site ought to serve as inspiration for the makers of WoodRat.

Perhaps the real solution is as Chris suggests. Stuff this money being thrown at develoment into education--by demonstrators and teachers who actually seem to care. That was what stopped me from purchasing a 'Rat originally. The booth I attended at a woodworking show was manned by people who acted as if it was a bother for them to demonstrate the 'Rat for various things.

Their biggest untapped market is the US. Perhaps they could come up with a plan to get WoodRat US out of the office and on the road.

Well, end of my day. I apologize for the tired ramblings of a sick saw monkey...

Take care, Mike
 
I was half way down the road to the car boot before I realised what I should have said was "thank you very much for taking the time to take and post the pics, Aldel". #-o ](*,) :oops: Sorry. :(
 
Thanks for the post and photos Alan, much appreciated :D

I fundamentally agree with Chris here, particulalry the following comment which (to me) seems to sum up the company's philosophy:

clunky and generally the sort of thing Heath Robinson might have dreamt up.

I think there is plenty of areas for decent mods that are more useful to users and could be implemented properly - maybe even without any blutac!! :wink: :D

I believe that Martin Godfrey needs to improve the marketing and move away form the emphasis on pencil lines and "minimum tehnology solutions". The woorat can be a very precise machine.
 
Yes I went to the show yesterday to buy a Rat, I could not make my mind without seeing a machine if I could fit the Rat into the space I have in my workshop, so I went armed with a tap measure and a marked up photo of where I planed to fit the Rat.
Any way after I convinced my self I could fit a full sized Rat and buying one I took a look at the Template system and found my self thinking ‘If this is what I need then I would have purchased a Leigh Jig or similar’.
I think I will get a lot of fun from my Rat, but I can’t see how I could use the Template system. One of the reasons I chose the Rat instead of other jointing machines was that according to the sales literature that there would be no need to buy lots of extra accessories.

Yep I agree with Chris and Alf on this one.

By the way I had a great drive back from the show, I did not realise the Somerset Levels were so lovely.

Mike.
 
Thanks for the report, Alan!
I've had a look at the templates at two different shows now-I think the price is going to be the big decider. If they can put them out at a reasonable (read cheap as chips) price then they will be useful for pulling in the "sat on the fence" customers who think pencil lines and blu-tak are a bit of a laugh. :wink: Once the Rat is secured to the wall and a few cuts are made the whole "penny drops" thing can happen and the templates will fall to the roadside. :lol:
Only my 2p worth,
Philly :D
 
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