What's that tool for?

[scholar]

Scholar there is something going on with Item no 4 in the fist pic there is clearly to see the letters CK in a circle. This is the trade mark for Carl Kammerling who are still in business to day they make mostly electricians tools among other tools there Carpenters tools IMHO can best be described as only mediocre.In the second pic you show the leg of a set of pliers with the name Knipex on them a firm that is also still in production and IMHO a producer of tools of a higher quality, they are two separate firms and just for my money Naz has it right to what they are. HTH.

They are the same tool - I spotted the CK, so thanks for the explanation (the logo is very similar to what they currently use on part of their range). I can only assume that these were bought in by CK from Knipex at the time?


This tool is clearly one of the more recent items (c.1950) - it has already been promoted to my go to toolbox and my old pincers are skulking in a drawer. I cannot see my children being as fascinated as I am for some reason by the provenance and history of these tools.

 

[Billy Flitch]

Thanks for the quick reply I thought you may have just got a pic mixed up but it looks like one of the two firms was acting as a middle man with this tool.

 

[bugbear]

Item 3, for sand moulding, we used similar tools, spoons, shaped for repairing plaster moulded ceilings in listed buildings.
As far as I'm aware you can still get various "batten" sizes, 1"x1" 2"x1"etc in plaster board like paper finish to build up the solid areas before the mould profile.
Rodders

(chuckle) lots of Antique dealers will try to sell any foundry moulding tools they get (which are quite common, and only appeal to industrial archaeology nerds) as "pargeting tools", which are very appealing the retired-from-London crowd in their cottage, a wealthier kind of customer.

Much the same as plumbers turn pins, regardless of age, are always Victorian childrens' spinning tops (any actual spinning top has a metal point, so it doesn't wear out)

BugBear

 

[NazNomad]

To add to the thoughts on #1

The gap has parallel sides when closed, reinforcing the 'crimping tool' theory. Once closed, they crimp 'just enough' and stop, like the ones BT use today.

Would they have crimped, AND cut off excess wire with removable cutters? (leaving exposed wire ends though?) Are they even an 'electrical' crimper, or something just mechanical?

More plier & spanner **** here http://wrenchingnews.com/ervin-matz-auc ... -page.html

 

[NazNomad]

Thanks for the quick reply I thought you may have just got a pic mixed up but it looks like one of the two firms was acting as a middle man with this tool.

Looking at the quality involved in applying the Knipex name, I'd say they were definitely Knipex, but CK stamped their own brand on it after manufacture.

 

[t8hants]

Item 5
Are a pair of M1938 pattern American army wire cutters, the little nib guides the wire into the cutting blades.

 

[scholar]

Item 5
Are a pair of M1938 pattern American army wire cutters, the little nib guides the wire into the cutting blades.

Yes, my grandfather worked in a US Army depot in WWII, so I guess that is where these came from. As I said, they have a really nice action.

 

[scholar]

More plier & spanner **** here http://wrenchingnews.com/ervin-matz-auc ... -page.html

Drool...

I have a few things similar to some of the items pictured - one I particularly like is this "monkey wrench"(?) US made again


Another interesting item I have, unrelated to anything else posted so far, is this little Record vice. It is dinky, but very nicely made and deserving of a repaint I think. it is well documented, but worth a picture.


More to follow..

Cheers

 

[scholar]

OK, here are a couple more items I meant to post up yesterday, but gave up waiting for Photostream and Photobucket (time to rethink I think..)

Item 6
I think I may have coincidentally come across a drawing of what this is, whilst i was googling around for item 7 below (they are not related so far as I know). If that is right, there should be two of them and other components; however, others may know better.

Item 7
I can see what these things do, ie clamp something, just don't know the particular application.

I look forward to being enlightened.

Cheers

 

[novocaine]

First looks like a jewellers bench pin. Second are engineers clamps (or cramps) ivr got a pair almost identical.

 

[novocaine]

Just been informed that ate also called an engineers hand vice to. The first is s bench pin. Only thing missing is the band and thumb screw to fit it to the bench.

 

[undergroundhunter]

6 are indeed for cutting inlay and other small parts using a fret saw, very much still in use and still for sale https://goo.gl/08kZ9p.

7 as stated above engineers vices.

Going back to item No2, I knew I had seen them somewhere recently, there was a link posted on the hand tool section last weekend for the 1928 marples tools catalogue, if you go to page 93 2nd down on the right they are listed as shoe pincers. As you can see from the link there are different types and styles http://goo.gl/Uv77Jl

Matt

 

[Woodchips2]

I think item 6 is for cutting fretwork. A small cramp used the hole on the right to clamp to the table or bench so the part with the 'V' cut overhung the table. You can still buy them https://www.pebaro.de/en/Shop-oxid/Fret ... Tools.html or make your own.

Regards Keith

 

[t8hants]

No 7 is also used in the jewelry and silversmithing trades, known as a bench peg http://www.goldsmith-tools.com/benchpeg.htm

 

[scholar]

6 are indeed for cutting inlay and other small parts using a fret saw, very much still in use and still for sale https://goo.gl/08kZ9p.

7 as stated above engineers vices. Matt

Thanks again - it's all obvious when you know!

The bench pin must have had a square clamp like this
http://atlantaartworx.com/shop/v-slot-b ... with-clamp
I'll look out for it. I am guessing that the bench pin came with the fretsaw that was stored with it, although perhaps the oak doesn't look old enough. The fretsaw is branded Hobbies, a company that I see is still going with exactly the same logo. There are some lovely '30's or '40s illustrations of Dad and boys enjoying fretwork together! Seems it was quite popular.

Cheers

 

[undergroundhunter]

6 are indeed for cutting inlay and other small parts using a fret saw, very much still in use and still for sale https://goo.gl/08kZ9p.

7 as stated above engineers vices. Matt

Thanks again - it's all obvious when you know!

The bench pin must have had a square clamp like this
http://atlantaartworx.com/shop/v-slot-b ... with-clamp
I'll look out for it. I am guessing that the bench pin came with the fretsaw that was stored with it, although perhaps the oak doesn't look old enough. The fretsaw is branded Hobbies, a company that I see is still going with exactly the same logo. There are some lovely '30's or '40s illustrations of Dad and boys enjoying fretwork together! Seems it was quite popular.

Cheers

Depending on the age it may have been user made, I certainly would not go out and buy one when I have a box full of off cuts.

Matt

 

[Billy Flitch]

Yes you could make them from your off cuts but No 6 usually came in a set with the fret saw and a clamp and small pieces of ply with different pictures stempeled on them ready to cut out. It was sold in a small box and was seen as a gift for young boys.

 

[scholar]

Yes you could make them from your off cuts but No 6 usually came in a set with the fret saw and a clamp and small pieces of ply with different pictures stempeled on them ready to cut out. It was sold in a small box and was seen as a gift for young boys.

There is a nice history of the Hobbies company here http://www.woodworkersinstitute.com/page.asp?p=4793