What spindle moulder tooling should I buy

[meccarroll]

Interesting but it looks like this was originally posted 6 1/2 years ago :?

 

[Jacob]

Interesting but it looks like this was originally posted 6 1/2 years ago :?

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

..They are very dangerous machines. ...

Not as dangerous as a circular saw. The main thing is to keep your distance - either with a power feed in front of you, or shaw guards and TWO push sticks.
Getting your fingers within 6" of the cutters is a serious mistake, but easy to avoid.

 

[meccarroll]

Interesting but it looks like this was originally posted 6 1/2 years ago :?

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

..They are very dangerous machines. ...

Not as dangerous as a circular saw. The main thing is to keep your distance - either with a power feed in front of you, or shaw guards and TWO push sticks.
Getting your fingers within 6" of the cutters is a serious mistake, but easy to avoid.

And so it exists again Lol

Not as dangerous as a circular saw.

When people say a machine is dangerous, I often think what makes that machine dangerous?

Mark

 

[Jacob]

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When people say a machine is dangerous, I often think what makes that machine dangerous?

Mark

It used to be the tooling itself such as the square block on this HSE site: http://www.hse.gov.uk/woodworking/tooling.htm
The cutters could break or merely detach themselves and fly off at speed.
The other two illegal blocks shown are relatively much safer in that respect, but it's the operator who makes them dangerous by getting too close.
Modern "limited" blocks have secure cutters and are designed to take a smaller bite if your hand gets in the way.
But there is no need to get anywhere near the cutters if you adopt safe practices.

 

[meccarroll]

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When people say a machine is dangerous, I often think what makes that machine dangerous?

Mark

It used to be the tooling itself such as the square block on this HSE site: http://www.hse.gov.uk/woodworking/tooling.htm
The cutters could break or merely detach themselves and fly off at speed.
The other two illegal blocks shown are relatively much safer in that respect, but it's the operator who makes them dangerous by getting too close.
Modern "limited" blocks have secure cutters and are designed to take a smaller bite if your hand gets in the way.
But there is no need to get anywhere near the cutters if you adopt safe practices.

How is a circular saw more dangerous than a spindle moulder? Both can be fit with saw (type) blades.

 

[Jacob]

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When people say a machine is dangerous, I often think what makes that machine dangerous?

Mark

It used to be the tooling itself such as the square block on this HSE site: http://www.hse.gov.uk/woodworking/tooling.htm
The cutters could break or merely detach themselves and fly off at speed.
The other two illegal blocks shown are relatively much safer in that respect, but it's the operator who makes them dangerous by getting too close.
Modern "limited" blocks have secure cutters and are designed to take a smaller bite if your hand gets in the way.
But there is no need to get anywhere near the cutters if you adopt safe practices.

How is a circular saw more dangerous than a spindle moulder? Both can be fit with saw (type) blades.

Bigger blades in a circular saw and can be fully exposed in use (misuse) whereas a spindle cutters are smaller and always used just part protruding between fences, so the chances of accidental contact is less.
Also I think people are more cautious around the spindle moulder for some reason, they are slightly intimidated but take a circular saw for granted

 

[Mike Jordan]

One advantage of alloy blocks is in reducing the weight of the rotating mass, this can be an advantage when mounting two blocks on the spindle to cut say a rebate and mould on a door or window in a single pass. There is also an advantage in buying a limiter cutter block from Whitehill for the same purpose, this allows you to order from their standard range of cutters intended to run in conjunction with a 125mm rebate block or order special cutters for particular jobs. You can state sizes and angles and they will make cutters for the profile you want, if you are using an imported block they are all a little different and cutter cutting circle becomes a problem.
I will post a photo of some particularly useful limiter cutters I have had made a little later, that may make the above remarks a little clearer.

 

[Mike Jordan]

The cutters and limiters shown are reversible to give 9mm or 12mm rebates when running with the 125mm rebate block. Ive shown them upside down compared to mounted on the spindle since its easier to see how it works.
The ones shown are 20 degrees but i have other sets at 12 and 9 degrees. If you send for the Whitehill catalogue they have a number of profiles for running with the 125mm rebate block, I have no connection with the firm other than as a satisfied customer.
Mike.

 

[meccarroll]

Bigger blades in a circular saw and can be fully exposed in use (misuse) whereas a spindle cutters are smaller and always used just part protruding between fences, so the chances of accidental contact is less.
Also I think people are more cautious around the spindle moulder for some reason, they are slightly intimidated but take a circular saw for granted

Interesting, and I understand what you are saying about circular saw blade size, but I am not sure it makes a circular potentially any more dangerous than any other machine. If you look at a Bandsaw as an example they have a much larger diameter turning blade than a circular saw, and often have more exposed blade facing the operator than a circular saw. Also a spindle moulder can have cutters between 40mm and 100mm wide or more, as opposed to circular saws tips which usually are not any wider than 3.5mm. I often think the potential of danger is more likely to occur from a poorly trained operator or as you have often said misuse of a woodwork machine.

Mark

 

[meccarroll]

The cutters and limiters shown are reversible to give 9mm or 12mm rebates when running with the 125mm rebate block. Ive shown them upside down compared to mounted on the spindle since its easier to see how it works.
The ones shown are 20 degrees but i have other sets at 12 and 9 degrees. If you send for the Whitehill catalogue they have a number of profiles for running with the 125mm rebate block, I have no connection with the firm other than as a satisfied customer.
Mike.

Nice useful bit of information there Mike

Mark