Wadkin 12x7 planer/thicknesser

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Hi
I have just bought this off ebay-. It is a 3 phase BOA/S 895942
It comes with guards but no hoods, has a 2 speed gear for the feed & 3 knives on the block.
The cutter holding bolts are pretty rounded. Does anyone know how old this machine is, & where I might get new bolts, a manual & extraction hoods ?
Any help welcome.


JJ
 
Yeah theres lots of quality 3 phase tools on ebay. Is it easy to change a p/t to single phase or am I better off getting a scheppach 2600 for £675 delivered + VAT?
 
selly":2ot5jhpz said:
am I better off getting a scheppach 2600 for £675 delivered + VAT?

Why Scheppach? are they that good? is it worth paying the extra few hundred pounds for?

I don't know, i'm just curious.

I've just bought the Axminster PT106 for £450 (being delivered next Weds) I hope i've done the right thing, i'll soon find out though. :roll:

Martin
 
JJ":f1u082x0 said:
It is a 3 phase BOA/S 895942 - it comes with guards but no hoods, has a 2 speed gear for the feed & 3 knives on the block.
The cutter holding bolts are pretty rounded.
This is a late 1980s machine, 1986 to 1989 (the serial numvber gives you an approximate date, but only just). Wadkin Ultracare still exist in Coalville and can supply spares and manuals - but they aren't cheap! Scott & Sargent will do you a phoyocopy manual for about £20 if needed. I'd suggest that the bridge guard and extractors may be better sourced from either a local sheet metal fabricator, or a reputable Wadkin dealer, such as Timber Team (who are ex-Wadkin people) as they may be able to turn up secondhand spares and/or pattern parts

woodbloke":f1u082x0 said:
I 'spect Scrit'll be along presently to give you chapter and verse :wink: :D - Rob
Happy? :roll: :wink:

selly":f1u082x0 said:
Yeah theres lots of quality 3 phase tools on eBay. Is it easy to change a p/t to single phase or am I better off getting a scheppach 2600 for £675 delivered + VAT?
Yes and no. It's almost impossible to convert direct drive machines such as bandsaws, morticers and certain table saws. Smaller planer/thicknessers (i.e. up to 12 x 7in), certain table saws and some machines like spindle moulders can be converted by swapping the motor and replacing the DoL starter and coil - however, you need to be able to recognise non-standard motor mountings (such as some of the Wadkin AGS 12in saws), etc and avoid the same, and while you are about it turning a 350kg P/T on its' side to replace the motor is a 2 or 3 mann job...... In addition some P/Ts have two motors (one for the feeder) with flange mountings so Machine Mart £100 motors aren't available there. Don't even think about getting an 18 x 9in thicknesser this way, the weight alone will make the thing impossible to handle, let alone the large size.

Scrit
 
thanks scrit.

One other question which is baffling me. On my farm we run a corn grinding mill and it runs on a 415v motor. My father insists we haven't got three phase on the farm but apparently it is possible to run such a high voltage motor if its only a short way from the junction/ fuse boxes or something?

Is this a 415v single phase motor?

Can I therefore run a 3phase p/t or table saw on the farm? Perhaps we are doing something a bit naughty? It was fitted at least 30 years ago.

TIA!
 
The potential difference (voltage) between phase and neutral in the UK is 230V. On a 3-phase supply the PD between any 2 phases is 415V.

You can run a 3-phase motor from a single phase supply using a suitable converter, but you can't run it straight from a single phase supply.
 
Thanks Scrit, very informative.

"Wadkin Ultracare still exist in Coalville and can supply spares and manuals - but they aren't cheap! "

In fact I have just downloaded a free manual from them, I suppose a generic BAOS 12 manual.
BTW what does BAOS stand for?

JJ
 
davy_owen_88":10dn56t2 said:
The potential difference (voltage) between phase and neutral in the UK is 230V. On a 3-phase supply the PD between any 2 phases is 415V.

You can run a 3-phase motor from a single phase supply using a suitable converter, but you can't run it straight from a single phase supply.

Don't some rural supplies run split single phase, couldn't be that, could it?
 
JJ":2yh680zz said:
In fact I have just downloaded a free manual from them, I suppose a generic BAOS 12 manual.
I, too, found that they'd finally put a whole slew of manuals up on their web site this afternoon - they've only been promising the service for about 4 years now, so well done Ultracare....... Their parts can still be expensive, though. :cry:

JJ":2yh680zz said:
BTW what does BAO/S stand for?
The "B" stands for "Bursgreen", a division of Wadkin which was purchased as a part of the Sagar company in 1956, the "/S" indicates that the machine is a thicknesser with surfacing (also seen in another model, the UO/S) whilst the AO is just the model identity. Don't ask me why AO. The previous 12in thicknesser was the UO1 (because there was a family - UO1 12 x 5in, UO2 18 x 5in, UO3 18 x 9in and UO/S a UO3 with surfacing tables), although that was designed by Bursgreen in pre-Wadkin ownership days. After Wadkin took over Bursgreen had a mixture of Wadkin 2-letter names prefixed with a "B" (e.g. "BLM" - an "LM" borer produced by Bursgreen), Wadkin letter groups prefixed with a "B" (e.g. "BER", "BEN", "BEM" and "BEL" - all Wadkin, Leicester spindles from the late 1920s were E-something or other), "obvious" names (e.g. "BRA" - radial arm saws, although this was contrary to standard Wadkin practice in which R-somethingorother was always an overhand planer) and then there the odd ones (e.g. "AGS" for the general purpose saw, although there was also a "BGS" which was quite similar). All in all really consistent.......

As to a three phase motor running from single phase I know of several industrial sanders which do exactly this, although in their case the motor is wired-up as a 6-pole single phase motor which gives a rotation speed of just under 1,000 rpm. To get the speed up to 3,000 rpm would require a much larger pulley to compensate for the speed loss.

Scrit
 
Scrit.
Thank you.
What a mine of information.
I feel fully informed now & am studying the instruction manual!
 
I had one of these, it was a good little machine, unfortunately not fire proof :shock:
 
One day Senior was planning a piece of Ash, unfortunately the grain was a little wild and the board started to skew and then jammed up.
Well Senior wasn't happy and he started cussing something awful, the air turned blue, Senior went red and then, well it's hard to describe but the machine got so upset it just self combusted.
:(
Dom
 
So it wasn't the result of Senior lighting up his Capstan Full-Strength and having a backfire caused by of a night of abandon on the WKDs topped off with a tindaloo extra hot, then? :shock:

Scrit
 
Actually i'm not convinced it is a wadkin now, what do you lot reckon
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You can also see my 3 meter panal saw in the background
 
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