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Philly

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Hi All
I finally bought an Airpress vacuum veneering press at the Ally Pally show. I 've been fighting the lure of veneering for some, but no more :lol:
So, some questions to help me get going....

1: Where to buy veneer at reasonable cost. Should I saw my own?
2: Which glue to use? PVA, Extramite, Poly?
3: Any noobie mistakes to avoid?

Thats for you help in advance
Philly :D
 
There is also Exotic veneer in Walthamsow, not as good for range as Capital.
As for the glue you can use all three of them, if you think of how you would use let in your woodwork. Its about the same.
Ps why have you not tryed hand veneering with Scotch glue or some call it peal glue #-o :) , it is easier than it looks. I still do.
 
Hey Philly,

Good to see you took the plunge--you'll be veneering the walls before you know it!

While the above was a joke, there is one piece of advice I really mean to pass along. That is, once you get going and realize how easy it really is, you may be tempted to apply veneer to everything. Only you can be the judge if it is appropriate, but sometimes it is not.

As for glue, I don't like using PVA glues for anything except for some panels that do not have seams. I've seen to many panels with seams pull apart or gap along the join due to glue creep.

In general, I favor glues that would provide rigid glue lines. I even prefer hide glue to PVAs. Plastic resing glues. Often I'll simply use epoxies, but especially on panel assemblies for high-traffic/abuse items, such as cupboard doors that probably will be closed hard often. Veneered drawer fronts I'll usually use hide glue. And did I mention epoxy? :lol:

I would recommend just resawing your own veneer for some trials. Get it thin and smooth and just glue up some panels. Have fun and make a mess. It may teach you some lessons before you do a critical veneering project.

Take care, Mike
 
Scrit
Thanks-i've been ploughing throught the site. Very helpful! :D
Colin
I've heard there are special PVA crosslinking glues that are especially for veneering-I've been trying to find some. Bagpress sell one. Was considering trying hand veneering but by the time you buy a glue pot, hammer, etc it wasn't far off the Airpress.
Cheers
Philly :D
 
Hi Philly
I've made LOTS of veneer mistakes (some of which have been well-documented :)), but my main advice would be to start with "easy" veneer, oak or mahogany etc. My first was maple, and it ended up down the tip.

You won't be surprised to learn that I recommend my venner shooting board. Works a treat.

You'll have fun.

Cheers
Steve
 
Philly, welcome to veneering - I veneer a lot, but not with a bag so I just do flat stuff (mind you I need a bag for the backs to my Love Chairs
http://croeso.typepad.com/photos/furniture_making_love_cha/index.html so any chance you can DHL it across the water for a week or two ? :whistle: )

I use a special German non creeping veneer pva with a 20 minute open time. I think the name is Elberet (or something like that), comes in handy 5 litre pots as well as 1 litre versions.

The open time of the glue is what I find important so Extramite or the hide glues are also very useful. The ability to heat and do it again in hide glues are great, so I do all exotic bumpy veneering using hide glue as often an unseen bump can sneak in after the caul or pressure plate is removed. I find veneering takes a long time so with normal PVA the short open time is never quite enough.

Always flatten exotic veneer before use with wet paper clamped either side, maybe with glycerin added for very wavy stuff. If you also when you add the veneer, a spay of water on the non glue side will stop it from curling (due to the water in the glue) and allows you time to get the whole thing in the bag.

A veneer shooting board is a must for bookmatching. I have one 1.8 metres long made from MDF - works a treat and drop dead easy to make.


You'll love Crispins - as Scrit suggested. Houtslager put me onto them. If I'm in London on business I sneak along and buy the odd exotic bit and again have fun at the airport check-in :roll: It's like an Aladdin's Cave. I feel the credit card twitching with anticipation as I walk through the doors

Did you buy a BagPress? I was thinking of going for their one that works with a water venturi, as I'm trying to minimise new equipment as we'll be moving soon. Anyone else use this one- andy feedback?
 
Mike
Thanks for the advice-veneering the walls??? Hmm......got me thinking now :wink:
So it seems regular PVA is a no-no?
Andy
Thanks for that-spray bottle is on the list!
Steve
I have your GW articles close at hand-the veneer shooting board is on my weekend build list!
Cheers for the advice you guys!
Philly :D
 
Doesn't Chris (Waterhead37) normally have a book he highly recommends? I'm sure if you search back through the posts you'd find itt...

Adam
 
The book on veneering has got to be William A. Lincoln's "The Complete Manual of Veneering" (stobart-Davies) but some have criticised it here because it doesn't have enough glossy photographs :roll: - but it is a more complete book than any American publication. Add it to JoeWoodworker and you've got the lot

Scrit
 
Hi Philly, when it comes to hand veneering, the pots can expensive but got a pot that would be used for choclate for £3 at a local car boot (it also holds more glue that the small pots ) 8) and peal glue is very cheap :?
Good luck with the new toy ( I mean tool ) :)
I have also see some that will work with a compressor, I was thinking of getting one but dont do that much veneering.
For glue you might try here http://www.glue-shop.com/
 
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