sploo
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There's a lot of enemies in your head aren't there.
US Election November 5th
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ey_tony
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Personally I don't think there are any true lefties when it comes down to it unless they are fantasists...they're just like everyone else and in it for themselves no matter how woke or how much knee bending and virtue signalling they pretend to be doing.
It just doesn't entitle them to share in someone else's success which they seem to think is their automatic right.
If someone is successful and worked hard to achieve that success then no one is entitled to a disproportionate share of that person's earnings. Of course they should pay their share but no more...it's like me being the only person in the street with a lawn mower and everyone expects me to cut their lawns so they don't have to buy a mower themselves...stuff that!
There is no right to a job or work...if entrepreneurs didn't produce the jobs which employ themselves or your average left wing Joe then the average LW Joe would simply starve, that is the reality!
Nahhh I don't listen to them otherwise they drag you down to their level of thinking.
They see only problems with no solutions hence their demand to share in other's success.
RobinBHM
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Please could you provide the evidence
Is protection of womens rights "bad news"
is extending premium subsidies for health care "bad news"
is lowering prescription drug costs "bad news"
is paid leave "bad news"
are child tax credits "bad news"
Or maybe you mean the strong economic growth the Democrats have achieved and the fall in violent crime
Personally I would have thought Project 2025 is the real bad news
Probably true because if you have all your backbone removed then how do you stand up or move around, you become a pile of jelly. This means there is no right or left in reality just politicians trying to label there cause and round up a flock to vote for them. The problem we face is that we seem to have been brainwashed into thinking money will make you happy when in reality there is so much more that can make you happier at the expense of commercialism and making others who do believe money is happyness even richer.
RobinBHM
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The following is mostly about the UK but it applies equally in the USA
A Donald Trump presidency would increase wealth inequality
what about the rich and wealthy having a disproportionate share of a working persons hard earned wages
income inequality in US & UK is so wide that while the richest are very well off, the poorest have a worse standard of living than the poorest in countries like Slovenia
Poorer people dying increasingly younger than richer people as 'dismal' life expectancy gap grows, report finds
https://news.sky.com/story/poorer-p...r neighbourhoods in,areas, a report has found.Britain and the US are poor societies with some very rich people
https://www.ft.com/content/ef265420-45e8-497b-b308-c951baa68945‘A Poor Country with a Few Rich People in it’: Renowned Inequalities Expert Speaks Out as Bereaved Families Give their Accounts of ‘The Unequal Pandemic’
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/09/14/...-give-their-accounts-of-the-unequal-pandemic/Extreme poverty increases as billionaires’ fortunes balloon by $2.7bn-a-day (£2bn)
The richest 1% of Britons hold more wealth than 70 per cent of Britons
The richest 1% have pocketed $26 trillion (£21 trillion) in new wealth since 2020, nearly twice as much as the other 99 per cent of the world’s population, an Oxfam report reveals today.
https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media/pres...new-wealth-as-rest-of-the-world-put-together/
Britain must get serious about its toxic combination of low growth and high inequality that has left typical families £8,800 poorer than their counterparts in comparable countries
https://www.resolutionfoundation.or...n-their-counterparts-in-comparable-countries/
RobinBHM
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I agree, but the aggressive Trans lobby has not helped.
I dont have a problem with the basic pronouns, but is the trans community really going to sell dozens of pronouns.........lets be honest there are plenty of people who still havent worked out the difference between biological *** and gender (as is obvious from this very thread!)
danst96
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Funny thing is Trump has distanced himself massively from project 2025 but everyone still is windmilling that around their heads as the stick to beat him with.
The other funny thing is the entire list you gave there for Kamalas virtues are all things Trump supported in his first term and has spoken at length about on what he will do on his second term.
- Kamala has overseen a rampant migrant crisis, look at her comments prior to her party being in power, she's been clear on her policies and only now is she trying to pander to the electorate to get votes. It won't be any different if she gets elected, the rot will continue
- she cannot perform on a live interview, how do you think she'll cope on the world stage dealing with provocative and dangerous leaders of other countries.
- the economy of the US might have grown, but for the top 1%, everyday citizens struggle more and more
- she's anti-christian. Whether you believe or not, the US is built on Christian values (the right kind) and has served it to become the strongest country in the world.
- she's come to be the front runner of the race for her party undemocratically. Biden was forced out and while she may have the support of her party now, you don't have to be too intelligent to see what happened there, if that party is willing to operate in that way for the leadership race, what does that say about them as a whole.
-shes dangerous to the freedom of everyone in the US, look at her views will AG in cal about locking up parents.
Unrelated to Kamala in a way but it's funny how it's the liberal states that are absolutely f***** in terms of violence, drugs, taxes, cost of living etc. Kamala is hard left and it's fair to assume she'll try enforce much more left leaning policies on the entire country while will lead to its ultimate downfall. Something I know a lot of Brits weirdly would love to see.
Spectric said it best imo and we agree for once. Trump will be a reset and both parties will hopefully come back a bit more central and with the ability to unify the greatest nation on earth. If Kamala wins, it will depend the divide and the country will begin to crumble.
All my opinion, you are entitled to yours but you won't change my mind. I would recommend broadening your reading beyond BBC or CNN. For what it's worth I read both of those as well but I also read conservative news sites to attempt to get a balanced view.
John Brown
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My post wasn't really aimed at you, but what are these dozens of pronouns? Apart from the standard he, she, her, him, they, them, it, which have been is use certainly for the seven decades I've been alive, what are the new ones?
John Brown
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Really? You think the left-leaning posters on this forum are after your money and your lawnmower?
Weird!
Yorkieguy
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That includes David Lammy, Foreign Secretary, who - in a discussion on air about the difference between biological *** and 'trans,' when asked 'can a man have a cervix', replied 'Yes, I believe so, with hormones and an operation'. Crikey.
RobinBHM
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Trumps actions are not evidence, he is a provable liar, nothing he says can be trusted
may I ask if you have done any research on Project 2025?
for example do you know the deep connections the Heritage foundation and the Trump campaign?
From the Heritage foundation website:
Trump Administration Embraces Heritage Foundation Policy Recommendations
one year after taking office, President Donald Trump and his administration have embraced nearly two-thirds of the policy recommendations from The Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership.”
With approximately 70 former Heritage employees working for the Trump transition team or as part of the administration, the policy recommendations have served as guidelines for reducing the size and scope of the federal government through specific and detailed actions.
https://www.heritage.org/impact/tru...es-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Nonsense.
The crises are in the states from which these people wish to escape. It's amazing how people can't see this simple obvious fact.
But it is true that USA, the richest nation on earth (for some) has failed to rise to the challenge, instead exploits these people with low wages and insecurity, in the underground economy and in turn has used xenophobia to catch the red-neck un-woke vote. Similar scenario here too.
Nonsense.
1 The USA was founded on socialism - closely following the French revolution and its proponents.
2 The USA was one of the first secular stated and specifically separated the constitution from religion.
It's amazing how many Americans are completely unaware of their own history and have this comic book view of life
Nonsense.
The USA certainly do have problems but they are utterly trivial compared to past history - slavery, civil war, genocide, land theft. etc.
1 The drug problem is created by the government itself. Could easily be regulated and made safer than alternatives such as tobacco and alcohol, which are a much bigger problem
2 Violence in USA is historically low, but only if you don't include the guns - a problem easy to remedy, but yanks all fancy themselves as sharp shooting cowboys, unfortunately
3 Taxes aren't high enough - USA can't afford health care, social housing, welfare for the majority and has a very high level of poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States
USA is down-falling rapidly already. If only it would spend as much money on poverty relief in the USA itself, but more so in the other parts of the world on which it drops huge numbers of bombs, or supports violent regimes, at enormous cost to the USA tax payers, but even bigger cost to those parts of th world where they conduct their murderous foreign policies, many places, particularly the far east and currently the middle east.
Trump is a dangerous moron.
You need to read a bit more yourself! You seem to know sweet FA about your own country.
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Phil Pascoe
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RobinBHM
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simply untrue
not true
Republicans blocked border bill
more detail here
https://www.vox.com/politics/361635/kamala-harris-border-czar-immigration-mexico-guatemala-rnc
global crisis due to covid and Ukraine war
simply untrue
Kamala Harris destroyed Trump
Kamala Harris was attorney general, she is both tough and sharp
I can provide plenty of examples
here is one
please explain how you think Kamala Harris is Anti christian
stating she is anti Christian is opinion stated as fact, lets see the evidence
Do you think Donald Trump has Christian values, personally Im not sure a pathological liar, a convicted felon, somebody who has committed sexual assault and somebody who falsely claimed he won the 2020 election shares no christian values whatsoever
it seems the evidence shows otherwise
the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
Anyone who has spent any time in the USA knows that there is no 'hard left'. Democrats are right of centre, Republicans are a little more right of centre. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are millionaires. Capitalism rules.
danst96
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1. Care to explain the over 1 million undocumented illegal immigrants?
2. I didnt say founded, i said built. The growth of the US came mostly after the wars and that growth was built squarely around capitalism and Christian values. I didnt say it was part of the constitution either but its been the way of life and way of thought of the larger proportion of that country for as long as it has existed and it goes hand in hand with the growth of that country.
3. Past issues are bad, agreed. However they are arguably nothing in comparison to the past of the UK, they are just more recently documented. UK has arguably one of the most oppressive histories in all time. That said, we are not in the past anymore. We are living now, you have to acknowledge, learn from and move on with a committal not to repeat. Again though, absolutely nothing to do with my argument.
- drugs, the issues are largest in the liberal cities, its an absolute fact and my original point stands. Look at Oregon or Washington where drugs we decriminalized. Its easy to pass a light judgement on in until you have seen it first person which i have. Its lead to the absolute degradation of so many people there and it lands squarely on the shoulders of the government. What they have done is absolutely criminal.
- Guns, while im no fan of guns and i support the no gun policies in place in countries like UK and AUS, its part of the constitution in the US and understandable why. Its a deeper subject than id like to get into and one that kamala will not be able to do anything about even if she does win.
3. The tax system is reliant on those who run it. Look at the canadian gov. We have some of the highest taxes around here and they are very poorly used. We have a broken health system, massive amount of homelessness, poor infrastructure, poor aged care etc. higher taxes wont fix the issues.
and jacob, how about reading where i come from before throwing that at me. I live in Canada, am a british citizen, was born in south africa and work in the US. Your views are clearly through the lens of the media as opposed to first hand experience.
danst96
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True RE capitalism and the Democratic party. I couldnt say the same about Kamala though
RobinBHM
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A Kamala Harris / Democrat policy is paid leave, which is a given in the vast majority of Western countries. It’s not far left
RobinBHM
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That’s is your opinion, it is not based on evidence.
None of Kamala Harrises policies are hard left on either economic or social issues.
Donald Trump says she is a dangerous marxist communist…..but he says Haitians are eating dogs and windmills cause cancer.
danst96
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And Kamala calls Trump Hitler... While talking about locking up parents for kids missing school
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