Today I have been mostly listening to...

[Jenx]

Men of Exquisite taste ! Fantastic stuff ! ...
and not to miss StevieB's reference to Bonamassa ... oh yessss ! we'll have a bit of Joe, ANY time.. wonderful !!
Good call Steve !...

Speaking of 'Taste' ( tenous link, .. but justifyable :wink: )

No "Rock Guitarists" discussion should be missing Mr Rory Gallagher ...
a legendary hard livin, hard rockin Irish genius... always worthy of mention.

I did not realise thre was so much 'appreciation of musical quality' among the woody fraternity here ... fabulous ! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[kityuser]

then of course not forgetting Mr Paul Gilbert........... legend , i wish I could get those string skips to sound like sweeps like he does ............

or Gary Moore (more the metal days than the bluey stuff).
I`m also a massive fan of smith murray and gers and of course *blush* Collen.

ALWAYS on the ipod also is van halen. otherwise known as the God of tap.


:twisted:


Steve

*at work, wanting his guitar........*

 

[Jenx]

Man, I hear ya ! .... Walter Giardino do anything for you ?

Would you fine fellows also have an appreciation of some of the perhaps more 'subtle' skills of some of the acoustic masters ?

I'm thinking Leo Kottke, Andy McKee, John Butler, Tommy Emmanuelle, and those of that ilk ?

I've not normally much of a fan of the Dobro resonator stuff usually.. but the skills of this man were hard to ignore...
Jerry Douglas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gukFvG8VbK4

Enjoy ! 8)




EDIT : Just checked out the Michael Angelo Batio link....
He's just taken Pole Position in the Shreddin' GP i think !
Good lord, thats fast !! 8) 8) 8) :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:

 

[kityuser]

Check out the angelo song "no boundarys" on the speed kills DVD, the arpeggio section in the middle is mind blowing.

The man surely pushes the boundaries of what is humanly possible , some of his leads are SO fast they sound synthetic, not too my taste all the time but hats off to the bloke.

Steve

 

[Jenx]

Yes totally !!
I watched a few Utubes after the original link you posted...
Do you think one or two little bits of 'doctoring' may have been used.. ?just in places they look a wee tiny bit 'jerky' ....
(I'm no computer wiz, so I don't know :wink: )...

But even if they have.. take nothing away for the guy...
he can shred a mean axe !

As you say, not maybe always the "first choice" of what I'd listen to either... depends on the frame of mind etc .. and it definately has its place and is to be admired. On certain days though.. it may well be something reached for. --

Great to see.
8) 8) :lol:

 

[kityuser]

I have all the DVDs , no doctoring there (there are some outtakes as proof)
From what I've heard he plays live alot at demos and clinics as well.

I'm more of a Gilbert and stump fan, both superb teachers too (both berkely I believe)

Steve

 

[Jenx]

It'll be my low-grade works laptop ! :wink: :lol:

Its great stuff, for sure !

My personal 'favourite' is SRV, i just love that 'sloppy yet hard bluesy' crunch he achieves,
Clapton said he was the best he'd seen.. which is a reasonable accolade to be given ! 8)
Never got to see him.. only got DVD's to remember the man with now, unfortunately.. he was awesome. What a "full rounded sound" the three of them together achieved.. just brilliant 8)
In a certain way, reminiscent of Jimi ...

There has been some fantastic music referenced in this thread already...
as mentioned, men of great taste, obviously !
Love it. :wink: :lol: 8)

 

[ByronBlack]

I got into SRV late, but I'm really starting to appreciate the man, really growing on me, way more talented than many blues players I feel - including Claption who I'll never understand how he get's many claims of being a great guitarist, I just don't hear it myself.

I'm a massive fan of Tony Iommi for shear bloody mindedness (lost his fingertips!)

Angelo is indeed a freak, mega skilled - but I think is sadly lacking in the musical side of things, like many shredders really, too many of them put speed above musicality.

 

[RogerS]

Nina and Frederick are quite good as well :wink:

 

[Philly]

I've seen Steve Vai live a few times - live he is just an astounding showman. The time spent with David Lee Roth and David Coverdale was well spent :lol: His playjng is just part of the experience - his body language and facial expressions really are something else.
Sadly Satch is a wet fish live - just stands there with sunglasses on. Love his playing but boring to watch.

As for other superb players - Paul Gilbert? A player with speed PLUS taste - a first? Check out his solo albums as well as Racer X and Mr Big.
Cheers
Philly

 

[Philly]

Forgot to say - did you see Yngwie on the G3 tour? Way over the top - but that's the place to do it :lol:
Philly

 

[Jenx]

Nina and Frederick are quite good as well :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: So were Rod, Jane & Freddy :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: Rog, you're nuts, ACE !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:



I had heard that about Satch live ... that he was a bit 'inanimate'..
Shame really, because his stuff is 'anything but'.

I know where you're coming from on the Clapton thing.. but having recently watch the show where he's with John Mayall / Bluesbreakers ... I kinda began to reverse my thinking.
Then , within a few days that documentary where Slowhand does the whole Robert Johnson deal over in the states was on again, and this time I watched it right through ... and really enjoyed it.
I loved Cream... and always felt that after that he'd fallen a bit short of expectations, but I have to confess, I'm beginning to change that view.
.. Maybe its an 'age' thing .. not sure. --- but I am 'strangley drawn', much more than ever before 8) 8) :lol: :wink:

 

[kityuser]

I've seen Steve Vai live a few times - live he is just an astounding showman. The time spent with David Lee Roth and David Coverdale was well spent :lol: His playjng is just part of the experience - his body language and facial expressions really are something else.
Sadly Satch is a wet fish live - just stands there with sunglasses on. Love his playing but boring to watch.

As for other superb players - Paul Gilbert? A player with speed PLUS taste - a first? Check out his solo albums as well as Racer X and Mr Big.
Cheers
Philly

racer X and Mr Big get a massive thumbs up from me, basically we've described my entire ipod collection

for me the respect comes to Gilbert and Stump for being excellent players and teachers, both come across as honest humble guitarists.
I've seen a few gilbert movies from back when he was at berkley where he is teaching and showing some tricks. one that springs to mind is where he plays the same note across and up the fretboard (swapping strings), thing is he does it SSSOOOO quick that it sounds like one note..... very impressive!

Yngwie is also a fav of mine, most people hate him, I love the attitude and the music, concerto is an album i listen to at least once a week start to finish. "I don't practise" he says.... yer right!

recently (last 5 years) I've really progressed from the bluesy metal feel over to more of a neo classical/shred thing. circle/cycle of 5ths and all that. But I'll never really leave my maiden/metallica/moore/priest roots. :shock:

a GOOD friend of mine is into dream theatre, I've borrowed some cds and the dvds from the main man....... just can't get into it.

I can't agree more with whats been previously said, speed is nothing without feel. Hats off to angelo, you won mate..... I love watching/listening for a laugh every now-and-again.
But I'll stick with via/satch/cooley/stump/gilbert/yngwie et al

Now this REALLY will throw the cat amoung the birds, i recon that you have to be able to play a bit to REALLY appreciate how good these guys are....... my wife can't stand it..... apparently its all "widdling"

But then again she once asked me why a rally driver's co-driver doesn't drive if he knows where he is going....... so I don;t take much notice



:roll:


Steve

 

[kityuser]

Forgot to say - did you see Yngwie on the G3 tour? Way over the top - but that's the place to do it :lol:
Philly

which one, hes been on a few........
loved it when they all went for some classic hendrix, great.

felt a little bit let down by the concert dvd he did where he over dubbed in some places to fix mistakes...... kinda takes away the magic knowing that even he dicks it up sometimes.....

Steve

 

[kityuser]

I saw eric johnson when he toured with the 'G3' - I was suitably impressed. Talking of satch's students, I'm a big fan (predictably) of Kirk Hammet

I've borrowed the eric johnson tuition dvd, he REALLY does sound like a psycho killer :shock:

talking of which you guys MUST have seen the yngwie youtube movies where people have overdubbed arpeggios from hell? wicked!

Steve

 

[Jenx]

Now this REALLY will throw the cat amoung the birds, i recon that you have to be able to play a bit to REALLY appreciate how good these guys are.......

I hope I don't sound like a muso-snob, but I think you're right Steve... not perhaps in every instance.. I'm sure we all know guys / girls who are really into their rock / blues ( or other genre's too ), who don't play... but for the most part, I think you're probably right.

I guess that is perhaps a wee bit understandable, given that the 'huge interest' is there in abundance already..

I've heard people say that ''theres no such thing as 'bad' music'' .. but generally, ask any half-competent musician, and I believe a different answer would be forthcoming .....
there is a lot of dross available .. a lot of 'here today/gone tomorrow artists' ( in the loosest sense of the word )... and some of them are making some handsome incomes, which are possibly not really warranted, ... there would be a reverse side to that coin, I dare say ... 'supply and demand' & all that .... but if all that is pushed to people is the type of substandard stuff to which I refer, then its difficult to blame people for not knowing any better.

I'll stick my head slighty above the parapet and quantify what I mean a little ... 50-Cent, Eminem, B*witched, ... you know where I'm coming from, I'm sure... really find it difficult to understand the appeal of that kind of thing... I will listen to ( and enjoy ) a huge range of stuff, from Wagner to Pavarotti, De Dannan to the Damned, and almost all points in between ... but there are things which are just an affront to the ears..... yet it sells, and generates a lot of cash. :shock: .... go figure ! :duno:

FWIW, I agree with that theory...
All pigeons in flock intact .. cats nowhere !
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[kityuser]

I think from my point of view I get alot of enjoyment from the aspiration, i.e. i like listening to things I'd love to be able to play. I've found in my limited experience that SOME non-players just don't "get" the more technical stuff because they have no real grasp of how bloody difficult it is to play.

Thats why I think to alot of non-players, guys like stump and gilbert are un heard of (largely).

as with most things, work, kids, workshop, guitar, computers.... there just isn't enough time to fit it all in.

I'm sure if I could play for 8 hours straight day in day out I'd have a bloody good crack at some of those arpeggio sections @ 180bbp :wink:

steve

 

[Jenx]

Absolutely !

My lad ( 18 ) has the great fortune of currently attending music college.. HND .. at the moment, and he didn't START till he was 14 .. but currently has the luxury of 6 - 7 hours a day of practice, and by heavens is it paying off ...

he can do the "Arpeggios" without even a hesitation,
and is really now blowing me into the weeds, skill wise.
:evil: :wink: :lol:

There's just no substitute for having that amount of time available to devote to it

Fortunately, he's taken the 'influences' on board with him.. and is a big Jimi / Zepp / etc fan .... Loves Serj, for Byron's earlier mention ... big into Buckethead, .. and all the (good) usual suspects...
I am delighted at the way this is going with him ...
he has the capability to really go places, if he keeps the focus.

he doesn't realise it.. but life for him, is one big picnic !! ( at the moment, I mean !! ) :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

[filsgreen]

Absolutely !

My lad ( 18 ) has the great fortune of currently attending music college.. HND .. at the moment, and he didn't START till he was 14 .. but currently has the luxury of 6 - 7 hours a day of practice, and by heavens is it paying off ...

he can do the "Arpeggios" without even a hesitation,
and is really now blowing me into the weeds, skill wise.
:evil: :wink: :lol:

There's just no substitute for having that amount of time available to devote to it

Fortunately, he's taken the 'influences' on board with him.. and is a big Jimi / Zepp / etc fan .... Loves Serj, for Byron's earlier mention ... big into Buckethead, .. and all the (good) usual suspects...
I am delighted at the way this is going with him ...
he has the capability to really go places, if he keeps the focus.

he doesn't realise it.. but life for him, is one big picnic !! ( at the moment, I mean !! ) :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

You know what Jenx, I think your spot on. If i practised 12 hours a day to learn how to play guitar or snooker, I reckon i would be very good to say the least. Unfortunately the majority of us have to support ourselves by working eight hours a day. That's not to say that the person who picks up the guitar at seven years of age is not committed or his parents aren't supportive. I believe there is a programme on C4 or some channel that focuses on parents that really push their children. After all where would Tiger woods be without the encouragement he recieved?

Phil

 

[ByronBlack]

I'm with you Steve on dream theatre. A guitar tutor I had some lessons with a while back was massively into Dream theatre. I got the entire back catalogue and just no matter how much I listened, I just didn't 'get it'. Great musicianship, but as for melody/tonality and song writing - just didn't do it for me.

I'd rather take the limited Status Quo with great songs than a technically brilliant but dull Dream Theatre.

I'm also of the very rare opinion that Jimmy Page is hugely over-rated and is in fact a rather poor electric guitar player. However, I think his acoustic stuff is excellent.

As for DVD's/tutors, I really like Tremonti, a real well rounded player.