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BamMorgan

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Hey everyone, I'm brand new to woodworking but have had a love for it for many years.
As a very novice beginner, I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with suitable pricing for various timber in South Yorkshire.
I have no reference as to even a guide price and don't really wanna get ripped off or waste the merchants time. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
 
Good evening BamMorgan, if you're in Donny then I'm just down the road in DN8. Welcome to a great forum, great people, great breadth of knowledge and they can be very helpful as well.

Re. wood supplies, I've recently had recommended to me http://www.allen-orr.com/ in Hexthorpe as a hardwood supplier. I haven't tried them out yet but fully intend to.
 
Thanks a lot mike, I'll be sure to check them out. I don't wanna ring someone up not actually knowing what I want and making them feel like I'm wasting there time you know. Yeah I'm in edlington, nice to see someone relatively close by :)
 
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I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with suitable piercings for various timber in South Yorkshire.


How about a prince albert....................
 
I'm also just down the road... well the m180 actually, I haven't been to allen orr but I have heard they are on the expensive end of the scale. There are a few on Google search. I tend to use a small joinery company in Gunness near Scunthorpe called G. Empsons and sons. The have all the usual softwood and man made boards, they also have small stocks of oak and sepele which they are happy to let you rummage through to get the bits you want. I tend to go on a saturday morning and they are always happy to pass rough sawn boards through the thicknesser and cut to length for me. I have also heard good things about niche timbers although I'm yet to get over there myself.

Matt
 
The best solution is to start to compare price by cubic meters or feet of wood. Traditionally wood was sold in cubic feet, but I'm probably out of date and following decimalisation it's now cubic meters. Needless to say, pick the units of measure your most comfortable with and check prices from various yards. A few phone calls and you will soon start to get calibrated. If you ask for the cubic feet price it sets you off on the right track, and the yard will recognise the term and that you may know a little about prices. Good luck.
 
Bam, if you can possibly get down to a timber yard and choose your timber personally you'll put yourself at a huge advantage.

Wood pricing is a funny area, wood varies in quality enormously, but the prices asked don't vary nearly as much. I'll give you an example, English Walnut normally costs around about £70 a cubic foot. The worst rubbish imaginable, splits, knots, awful grain, will still sell at about £50 or £60 a cubic foot. I recently picked up some English Walnut that was drop dead gorgeous, almost every square inch was useable and as well as beautiful grain it was also richly rippled, why this hadn't gone for veneers I don't know. The price for these spectacular boards was just £80 a cubic foot.

That makes no sense at all, but that's the way it's always been.

Now imagine if you're an unknown customer buying mail order or over the phone and chasing down the cheapest price. What quality timber do you think you'll end up receiving?

Good luck!
 
I know it can be intimidating and you do run across the occasional 'I know-it-all don't waste my time types' but if you front up to the timber merchants and tell them that you have a bit of money to spend and are looking for somewhere to begin making regular purchases from for your new hobby you may be surprised. Maybe tell them what you told us in your first post above. The majority of guys importing, milling or selling timber that I've met so far are a friendly bunch; although, as in every industry, you meet the occasional w@@ker.

When I first arrived in the UK I fronted up to the office at G&C Softwoods in Colchester and told them I'd never bought joinery grade timber in this country before had no idea about prices and didn't know what they meant by 'unsorted' or '5ths' etc; also that I thought about timber in lineal meters and not cubic feet. They gave me a 10 minute tour of the yard and showed me their main products and talked me through a few things. They earned themselves a loyal customer.
 
Everywhere I've looked prices wood by the cubic foot still. Though it's never that straightforward. They tend to take the price per cubic foot and then calculate that back to a price per square inch per foot. Then you need to factor in what thickness of board it's coming out of, as that's what you're paying for, not the finished size. There are usually higher prices per cubic foot as the thickness increases as the drying process is more difficult.

So a 1" x 1" x 12" piece of ash costs 26p +VAT at the place I use, and the same in Oak is 33p+VAT. The price per cubic foot is .26*1.2*12*12 = £44 inc VAT. That's dimensioned and planed up for you.

Bear in mind that a 1" board will be 20mm or so thick once it's been planed up, so if you're asking for quotes for planed stock tell them what thickness you want it planed out of, not the finished dimension, unless that's critical. If you need a 1" finished dimension, you'll be paying for a 1.5" board, or even 2" if they don't stock 1.5". If only one dimension is critical, it can be sawn out of the width of the board to minimise wastage and the price you pay.

If you understand all that it makes pricing up a job and making sure you're designing for efficient use of the timber much easier.

I'd also add that you should be a little cautious of user recommendations on price, most people have access to a limited number of merchants and have a favourite that they use and don't look at the price.

I did ask a similar question a while ago and then looked at a few places that are local to me, the cheapest was around £70 a cubuc foot for Ash and £85 for Oak for dimensioned and planed. Much more expensive than the place I use, which is absolutely first rate timber. It's cheaper for me to carry on using my supplier, even though it means a 3 hour drive to pick the wood up. Fortunately it's between my house and my parent's house, so I can combine it with trips or have it brought to me, but it means designing and working out cutting lists weeks or months ahead of time.
 
Here's a thought for you. Make the first few projects all from the same wood. The advantages are that you can carry over unused material, you can buy a bit more in the first place confident it won't go to waste, and if you make a mess of a component you've got enough wood in stock to replace it.

The problem is that many timbers vary dramatically in colour and grain from board to board never mind from tree to tree, so if you go this route it would make sense to choose a timber that tends to be relatively uniform. American Cherry would be a good bet, it's widely available in a good range of widths, lengths, and thicknesses, it's reasonably stable, and it's relatively kind to your tools, plus it tends to look fairly similar wherever it's sourced. Hunt around for straight grained boards and you'll have given yourself every chance of success.

Good luck!
 
Get a cutting list of the job together with wastage included. Contact supplier and give them a copy and ask for their best price. As you get more experience in it you will be able to gauge it a little bit better when it come to building same sort of project.
 
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