John Brown
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Stupid scientists, always changing their minds as new data becomes available! Why can't they just stick to the same script, decade after decade? I'll stick with the bible, thank you!
The joys of electric car ownership!
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Phil Pascoe
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The past hasn't changed.
John Brown
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Last time I checked, forecasting was usually about the future, and I'm sure you know the quote, usually attributed to Neils Bohr, about prediction.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
That was a hypothesis being looked at many years ago and in no way a "forecast".
It was popular because it offered a mechanism by which global warming might be halted, but unfortunately it was not to be.
Read all about it: What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s? it's an interesting story about the popular media rather than the science.
It didn't happen.
Masses of research and many forecasts later the science is proving more robust and climate change forecasts are turning out to be correct.
It is happening.
But generally faster and sooner than the forecasts.
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I went to a planning meeting when 6 were proposed near to my house, you could not imagine a worse collection of NIMBYs. Most people there liver further away than I do from the proposed site. If I had gone to the bottom of my garden and climbed a tree I would just have been able to see the top of the blades as they turned. I found out what type of turbine they were planning and went to Lincolnshire where some were installed, they were almost silent at 100 m. Reported that at the next meeting as one of the biggest fears had been noise but by that point it was all the traffic they were going to cause? These people need their electricity rationed.
We didn't get the turbines but now have a small solar farm - which I moan about as I think it should have gone on the roofs of the massive warehouses being built the other side of the road not on farm land..... You can't please anyone
Sorry rant over
I don't understand where the idea that EVs cannot be repaired comes from?
People complain they are more expensive - True for now
A car will be repaired if the cost of repair is less than the worth after repair
An impact that writes off the battery - God (insert deity of choice) help the occupants in that severity of impact would almost certainly have written off an ICE vehicle.
The heavier vehicle coming off best is not always true, I have run a few car to car impacts and you do get surprises.
John Brown
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A lot of people in my adopted village speak with pride about how they hired expensive counsel to quash a proposal for a wind turbine a few years back. I'm slowly (very slowly, apparently)learning to keep my mouth shut, partly thanks to all the excellent training material freely available in online forums.
worn thumbs
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Did somebody suggest that EV's canot be repaired?They will be subject to the same value analysis that all assessors perform and inevitably a few will be deemed to be beyond economic repair.At which point the salvageable parts will enter the market and this may well include the battery pack.
It is worth reading Jeremy Clarkson's column in today's Sunday Times for a realistic consideration of large infrastructure projects.Very little to be cheerful about.
flying haggis
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All solar farms and I do mean ALL should be on warehouse roofs not valuable and needed farmland. And any planning application for warehousing should be refused unless as much roof space as possible is covered in solar panels. Fly across the country using Google maps and see how many warehouse type roofs there are and how many have solar panels!!
Drifter2406
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I don't think they are saying they cannot be repaired but I have a Brother in Law who works in the insurance industry or used to and he was pointing out that if the battery compartment had been touched in an accident they would wright it off because it upped the repair cost so much as they wouldn't chance the batteries being damaged.
My opinion - perhaps appropriately for a wood working site - is that we are screwed. And that opinion is not just based on 50 years working with wood, but also time spent on research into air quality & the environment.
When political parties - on both sides of the Atlantic can see power & votes in continuing to pollute regardless of the health & environmental consequences then the future is not good. As Ozi indicated, folks are still not willing to accept that we will all need to embrace change. It is just unfortunate that it would have been cheaper when the issue was first apparent, but oil companies needed to make more profits …..and make us more dependent on their product.
Getting back to the thread….. the F Times has recently highlighted the acute difficulties in providing not only the sources to make EV batteries….Lithium & rare earth metals ….but also the lack of recycling facilities to recover spent materials. This is also true for the recycling of PV solar panels.
We just do not have the time, funds or incentive to overcome the inertia and reach the required level of change.
You have been arguing whether it is a 7cm or 70m rise in sea levels. In the UK this will not be the issue. Long before the ice caps have finally melted, the Gulf Stream will have stopped & we will have the climate of Newfoundland, with the consequences for agriculture & heating that it entails.
Our Gods, which ever you choose, have given us human intelligence, ingenuity, & imagination to fix this. Unfortunately we haven’t ……& greed & self interest prevail …….& will do so.
When political parties - on both sides of the Atlantic can see power & votes in continuing to pollute regardless of the health & environmental consequences then the future is not good. As Ozi indicated, folks are still not willing to accept that we will all need to embrace change. It is just unfortunate that it would have been cheaper when the issue was first apparent, but oil companies needed to make more profits …..and make us more dependent on their product.
Getting back to the thread….. the F Times has recently highlighted the acute difficulties in providing not only the sources to make EV batteries….Lithium & rare earth metals ….but also the lack of recycling facilities to recover spent materials. This is also true for the recycling of PV solar panels.
We just do not have the time, funds or incentive to overcome the inertia and reach the required level of change.
You have been arguing whether it is a 7cm or 70m rise in sea levels. In the UK this will not be the issue. Long before the ice caps have finally melted, the Gulf Stream will have stopped & we will have the climate of Newfoundland, with the consequences for agriculture & heating that it entails.
Our Gods, which ever you choose, have given us human intelligence, ingenuity, & imagination to fix this. Unfortunately we haven’t ……& greed & self interest prevail …….& will do so.
In my opinion repairability and insurance costs/claims only have a nominal relationship.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Yep.
You never know, something might turn up to turn things around, but not likely to be anything simple like a better battery.
but interpretations of the past can
Phil Pascoe
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Facts and interpretations are different things.
but facts can be interpreted differently
Phil Pascoe
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Which makes interpretations tosh.
True. Both facts and interpretations can be tosh. It's how they are used or given that makes the difference
Lons
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It has to make you laugh when one of the most vocal among us decrying the use of fossil fuels posts this
You name it I burn it, as long as it is definitely very dry, "artisanal" or not.
John Brown
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Wood is not generally regarded as a fossil fuel, as far as I know.It has to make you laugh when one of the most vocal among us decrying the use of fossil fuels posts this
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