devonwoody
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Spent the last 3 days going round the bend trying to operate.
Anyone able to give me an idiot proof method how to work please?
Anyone able to give me an idiot proof method how to work please?
sony bravia tv & sony digital recorder
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devonwoody
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That was the very first serious problem.
Even Sony help line couldn't do that.
It appears if you have an HMDI lead in you have to have AV4 set on the TV, That took two days.
Even Sony help line couldn't do that.
It appears if you have an HMDI lead in you have to have AV4 set on the TV, That took two days.
devonwoody
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found a sony av forum site. Roger Sindens suggestion.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthre ... ost6253245
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthre ... ost6253245
Smudger
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devonwoody":21m3y787 said:
Yeah. Me too. Made me feel stoooopid. Except mine is set on AV3, so there might be some choice about that.
And they don't tell you to finalise recordings until 24 pages after the 'how to record' section of the instructions. Had to phone a friend on that one.
Argee
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HDMI is the modern equivalent of the SCART cable - capable of passing both sound and vision, but much smaller connections. The Sony manual will have a diagram of the ports on the back of the set, stating which channel each one uses - it's not the same on all sets.
The recorder needs a picture source to record from, hence the need to have an aerial lead into it (RF In), then an aerial lead going to the TV - from RF Out to the TV's aerial socket. The recorder is now used as a "pass-through" for the signal, but may still feed via the HDMI cable if switched on.
The 1080i output should be standard on modern recorders, if not then the manual will show in the setup menu how to change this. Same for the aspect ratio, although again, this is pretty well set as standard nowadays, both on the TV and the recorder.
Ray.
The recorder needs a picture source to record from, hence the need to have an aerial lead into it (RF In), then an aerial lead going to the TV - from RF Out to the TV's aerial socket. The recorder is now used as a "pass-through" for the signal, but may still feed via the HDMI cable if switched on.
The 1080i output should be standard on modern recorders, if not then the manual will show in the setup menu how to change this. Same for the aspect ratio, although again, this is pretty well set as standard nowadays, both on the TV and the recorder.
Ray.
mailee
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HDMI sockets! that also means more new leads which means even more expensive items to purchase to use your TV :evil: What in God's name was wrong with the old phono plugs and sockets? We just get used to scart leads and everything is fitted with them and then they go and change them again! It is even worse if you have two DVD players, recorders as they don't give you enough scart sockets now means using a switch box instead :evil: I do despair with these companies as I always end up with the back of the TV looking like Jodral Bank! :twisted:
devonwoody
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My experience is that when you purchase this new dvd recording digital equipment, the manual is 170 pages on my model, Consider taking a two year uni degree course on modern digital recording equipment.
Windows PC learning is a piece of cake compared with above.
The salesman at Comet says purchase a hdmi lead (£30) and its all automatic. Dont believe him.
Havent spent much time on the forums since Tuesday.
Windows PC learning is a piece of cake compared with above.
The salesman at Comet says purchase a hdmi lead (£30) and its all automatic. Dont believe him.
Havent spent much time on the forums since Tuesday.
Argee
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170 pages in what - five languages? 34 pages sounds about right for a digital recorder.
The aspect ratio can be set in several ways, the most common being to go to Menu, then Settings, then Picture, then Picture Mode (or similar). The TV manual should have a menu chart and/or a "quick start" option. Once set, that's it, but you can inadvertently change it by pressing the button marked with a cross through an oblong. That changes the current picture through "Wide" "Smart" "4 x 3" "Zoom" - none of which are anything to do with setting the aspect ratio via "Setup."
You've said on the DVD forum that your 1080i was the default (as I suggested it would be). I haven't got the patience to follow this on two forum boards, unfortunately.
The aspect ratio can be set in several ways, the most common being to go to Menu, then Settings, then Picture, then Picture Mode (or similar). The TV manual should have a menu chart and/or a "quick start" option. Once set, that's it, but you can inadvertently change it by pressing the button marked with a cross through an oblong. That changes the current picture through "Wide" "Smart" "4 x 3" "Zoom" - none of which are anything to do with setting the aspect ratio via "Setup."
You've said on the DVD forum that your 1080i was the default (as I suggested it would be). I haven't got the patience to follow this on two forum boards, unfortunately.
andycktm
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I could be wrong ,but it sounds like your recorder is trying to upscale the normal picture to hd
not true hd by the way, which is 1080p
,but it sounds like your recorder is trying to upscale the normal picture to hd not true hd by the way, which is 1080p
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once you select the correct input source (using remote control), you find it was all set up automatically with the HDMI lead- on ours, the AV button on the remote selects between around 10 input sources such as AV1,2,3,4, RGB, HDMI.....
Mailee
Scart is a flawed connector and the newer HDMI is less susceptible to noise, giving a better picture quality than Scart on most equipment
once you select the correct input source (using remote control), you find it was all set up automatically with the HDMI lead- on ours, the AV button on the remote selects between around 10 input sources such as AV1,2,3,4, RGB, HDMI.....
Mailee
Scart is a flawed connector and the newer HDMI is less susceptible to noise, giving a better picture quality than Scart on most equipment
andycktm
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Yes your right Tony the scart is a poor connector,having a side cable entry/exit which tends to lever out over time.
But you cannot compare a scart with an hdmi connector as a scart cannot transmit hd.
And anybody who thinks an hd lcd is good in non hd is kidding themselves.
But you cannot compare a scart with an hdmi connector as a scart cannot transmit hd.
And anybody who thinks an hd lcd is good in non hd is kidding themselves.
mailee
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Yes Tony I do realise this but it means that they can then charge you even more for 'new' cables for the set as Wizer stated £60 for one! Just where do they get those prices from for a cable? :shock: When I bought my 42" rear projection TV the guy asked me if I wanted some scart cables for it and quoted something like £80 each! I asked him if I looked like I fell from the Christmas tree! I am considering upgrading to a new large flat panel TV and thought HD was the way to go but it seems that you also need a new HD DVD player for your disks and I also have surround sound that runs from my DVD player but not from my DVD recorder so I also need more sockets on the back for those, not to mention the digital box and the camcorder! Where will it end I ask myself. I am now so confused I think I will stick with my rear projection model until it gives up the ghost maybe then they will have sorted out all these new fangled ones and cables will be available at a sensible price for them. :wink:
devonwoody
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I had a lovely evening with the gear.
I managed to record a program I was not watching (and set for a forward time recording) and that has only taken me three days to do.
I had to use a scart lead (I think) to do it.
The reason for using the scart cord is that I have got to find a way to record so that I do not use the HD lead, because the picture keeps breaking up if that is left to pass signal.
Aerial reception (is suspect) I get 100% using just aerial leads to TV but only 57% aerial leads through the recorder (and perhaps the hd lead)
Argee that was 172 pages of the English version
Got a plan of action for Monday morning, telephone Sony help line and get hold of that nice young lady with a sexy accent. :?
I managed to record a program I was not watching (and set for a forward time recording) and that has only taken me three days to do.
I had to use a scart lead (I think) to do it.
The reason for using the scart cord is that I have got to find a way to record so that I do not use the HD lead, because the picture keeps breaking up if that is left to pass signal.
Aerial reception (is suspect) I get 100% using just aerial leads to TV but only 57% aerial leads through the recorder (and perhaps the hd lead)
Argee that was 172 pages of the English version
Got a plan of action for Monday morning, telephone Sony help line and get hold of that nice young lady with a sexy accent. :?
RogerS
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mailee":3gb28mpo said:
I'm with you on this one, Mailee. I used to think that I was reasonably techno-savvy until I started looking at all this new fangled HDMI and HD stuff. Seems there's more acronyms and abbreviations then you can shake a stick at.
Argee
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The DVD recorder DOES NOT USE the HDMI lead to record, only to play back through the TV. It records via the aerial lead (RF In) and its own in-built TV tuner.devonwoody":3fsaizm9 said:
The HDMI lead is ONLY used to connect to the TV for playing back recordings or playing DVDs. If it doesn't do that properly, then there is something wrong with either the recorder, the TV or the HDMI cable.
devonwoody
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Thanks Ray, that was the conclusion I had come to as well. (never new anything about hdmi until this week, and book is 175 pages of different options to go with different options)
So got a recording booked for 10.00am this morning and its not 9.57.
So got a recording booked for 10.00am this morning and its not 9.57.
devonwoody
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Found this on the sony help web page, and solves some of my problems
The recorder is not detected by the TV set when connected via HDMI
Make sure that HDMI is set to "ON" from the recorder Menu.
When the recorder is powered on, the TV set does not automatically detect it.
Press the Play button, or the Title list or HDD/DVD.
Ray & Roger , the tv could not screen my recorder controls and I could not set my hdmi to on because I could not see the dialogue on the screen.
But now solved or understood.
getting there.
The recorder is not detected by the TV set when connected via HDMI
Make sure that HDMI is set to "ON" from the recorder Menu.
When the recorder is powered on, the TV set does not automatically detect it.
Press the Play button, or the Title list or HDD/DVD.
Ray & Roger , the tv could not screen my recorder controls and I could not set my hdmi to on because I could not see the dialogue on the screen.
But now solved or understood.
getting there.
Argee
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Keep at it! It'll be worth it in the end. When I return from my holiday, I'll expect to see progress!
Ray.
Ray.
