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johnelliott
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Don't discount Hotpoint. Ours has run every day for ten years and not gone wrong once.
All washer dryers are much more complex and have considerably compromised designs. Is there any way at all that you could accommodate two seperate machines?
John
All washer dryers are much more complex and have considerably compromised designs. Is there any way at all that you could accommodate two seperate machines?
John
We were told to avoid Hoover and Candy machines!
Seems that anyone who has had a bad experience will tell you, yet many people who havn't, won't tell they havn't.
There a seller on ebay doing Candy washer/dryers for £220!
Seems that anyone who has had a bad experience will tell you, yet many people who havn't, won't tell they havn't.
There a seller on ebay doing Candy washer/dryers for £220!
... or how about a washing line???johnelliott":1e24q3py said:
(I was amazed when one of my wife's colleagues was doing a survey of domestic electricity use, and one of the items on her survey form was "would you consider drying your washing outdoors?". Uh?)
Argee
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We bought a top-of-the-range Neff washer-dryer, as the footprint of the kitchen didn't allow for two machines. To start with, it was OK but the auto-sensor on the hot air blower kept failing. Eventually a replacement of the whole gubbins (tech. term) sorted that out.
Later on, we started to notice a fairly nasty pong and traced it to the Neff. The drum is fed with hot air by a pipe that - when in washing mode - is filled with water to the same depth as the drum. All sorts of scummy stuff finds its way up the pipe (water finding its own level and whatnot), then it gets baked by the hot air - then it starts to pong! A large bottle brush gave some temporary relief, plus changing from liquid to powder detergent was much better, but if I knew then what I know now, I'd have put a tumble drier in the garage and stuck to a washing machine.
When we moved, that's what we did (the Neff was a built-in) and now have had an "A" rated Bosch since 1998 without one minute's problem.
The point I'm struggling to make is that if the really expensive ones fail, perhaps it's not the way to go?
Ray.
Later on, we started to notice a fairly nasty pong and traced it to the Neff. The drum is fed with hot air by a pipe that - when in washing mode - is filled with water to the same depth as the drum. All sorts of scummy stuff finds its way up the pipe (water finding its own level and whatnot), then it gets baked by the hot air - then it starts to pong! A large bottle brush gave some temporary relief, plus changing from liquid to powder detergent was much better, but if I knew then what I know now, I'd have put a tumble drier in the garage and stuck to a washing machine.
When we moved, that's what we did (the Neff was a built-in) and now have had an "A" rated Bosch since 1998 without one minute's problem.
The point I'm struggling to make is that if the really expensive ones fail, perhaps it's not the way to go?
Ray.
RogerS
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Which reader survey not encouraging. Avoid Hoover and Hotpoint. Bosch and AEG get reasonable feedback but most are dissastisfied with washer dryers.
We've had two and I've never been impressed with either. Too much of a compromise...trying to cram everything into the same space.
What would you rather have? A separate planer and thicknesser or a P/T? :wink:
We've had two and I've never been impressed with either. Too much of a compromise...trying to cram everything into the same space.
What would you rather have? A separate planer and thicknesser or a P/T? :wink:
Corset
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As a letting agent i have approx 150 washing machine to compare hammered by my student tenants. My view is this if you buy cheap they are ok and normally last 2-3years of very very heavy use. When they go wrong it is inaviably cheaper to buy a machine than get new parts.
Expensive machines ie miele, bosch whirpool (yes some crazy landlord have them) last approx 20% longer and parts make more sense to buy as the machine are so damn expensive. However they still go wrong. My advice is to get a cheap machine as they really don't go wrong as much as you think. Candy actually have quite good service and in my experience better than whirlpool whose quality is slipping. Unless you need the extra features their is little difference between the cheap and the mid range. The very best is very good as always.
In terms of extreme testing white goods and hoover i really have seen the works.
In addition i would classify washer dryers as scarily prone to self destructing. The major failure of all my machine is bearing failure in my experince and these are only really different on the top machines.
I am not an engineer i know but i have a very extensive testing facilities and i have really found some strange stuff in machines.
Owen
Expensive machines ie miele, bosch whirpool (yes some crazy landlord have them) last approx 20% longer and parts make more sense to buy as the machine are so damn expensive. However they still go wrong. My advice is to get a cheap machine as they really don't go wrong as much as you think. Candy actually have quite good service and in my experience better than whirlpool whose quality is slipping. Unless you need the extra features their is little difference between the cheap and the mid range. The very best is very good as always.
In terms of extreme testing white goods and hoover i really have seen the works.
In addition i would classify washer dryers as scarily prone to self destructing. The major failure of all my machine is bearing failure in my experince and these are only really different on the top machines.
I am not an engineer i know but i have a very extensive testing facilities and i have really found some strange stuff in machines.
Owen
RogerS
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Corset":2am2rnc2 said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Paul Chapman
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When my wife and I bought our first house in 1971 we couldn't afford a washing machine, so we washed all our stuff in the bath. Our neighbours (who all had washing machines) used to ask us why our washing looked cleaner than theirs. And our bath was pretty clean as well 8) 8)
Paul
Paul
matthew
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I had a washer-dryer once - washing is fine, drying is OK too as long as you have no more than one pair of socks to dry and a few hours in which to do it.
No hope at all of drying eg jeans or towels. Maybe they are better now but IMHO if you have space, get a separate dryer, otherwise suggest the rack and/or radiator!
M
No hope at all of drying eg jeans or towels. Maybe they are better now but IMHO if you have space, get a separate dryer, otherwise suggest the rack and/or radiator!
M
dedee
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As an alternative to tumble drying we used a dehumidifier in a tent for a couple of years. Takes a wee bit longer than a dryer but at a much reduced cost.
Andy
Andy
devonwoody
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Our Servis washer/dryer did 2 years this week and broke down yesterday for the first time.
Purchased 5 year cover (mastercare£120) last year so we have had a good run.
Purchased 5 year cover (mastercare£120) last year so we have had a good run.
johnelliott
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dedee":3tzxrnyn said:
This is a realy good trick. We didn't bother with the tent as we had a small room that we could use. It works extremely well, is extremely cheap and is also an excellent source of distilled water, great for windscreen washing.
John
dedee
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and for steam irons
Andy
Andy
RogerS
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dedee":3mj83er6 said:
Wish some of the residents in my block of flats would use this trick. They seem to have a fundamental lack of comprehension about the link between ventilation,humidity and drying clothes, merely hanging the clothes in an unventilated room and then, after a few months, complaining about the 'damp' coming through the walls.
Roll on November when I say finally goodbye to London :lol:
Paul Chapman
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Back in the "good old days" (I'm talking about the 1950's) if you wanted to buy a washing machine or vacuum cleaner about the only make was Hoover. My Mum had both. Once a year two blokes from Hoover would come round on their bicycles and service the appliances. As a result they were 100% reliable and never broke down 
Later as more makes came along and competition increased, Hoover dropped this service in order to remain competitive. Since then no make of washing machine or vacuum cleaner has been reliable - the best bet is to accept that they will go wrong and it's cheaper to throw them away and buy another one
Paul
Later as more makes came along and competition increased, Hoover dropped this service in order to remain competitive. Since then no make of washing machine or vacuum cleaner has been reliable - the best bet is to accept that they will go wrong and it's cheaper to throw them away and buy another one Paul
dedee
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johnelliott":13bu3ai4 said:
It's a long time since I did the calculations but I seem to remember that the dehumidifer used about 300w and the dryer 3kw so even if it took 3 times as long to dry the clothes the savings very significant.
We used an ebac (it is now in the workshop) and they sold the tent to go over the clothes rack and the machine but any water proof fabric would do so long as the material nor clothes block up the vents of the dehimidifier.
Andy
devonwoody
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Paul it had to be two blokes, it was too dangerous a job on their own
Paul Chapman
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devonwoody":376q1m3w said:Paul it had to be two blokes, it was too dangerous a job on their own
No, they needed two bicycles to carry all the spares :lol:
Paul
engineer one
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there have been many stories of these machines going off into the smokey
blue on their own due to the major problems of trying to stop the
parts which should have no water in them getting wet.
i have an old indesit, and dry the stuff in the shower room.
in the summer it takes about 1-2 days in most cases for everything
from shirts to bedding and towels. in the spring and autumn it
takes longer whilst in winter the heating helps.
think if you check the washer driers, they use a bunch of power,
i understand that two machines would actually use less power than
the one on its own.
i guess if you have little kids and wash your own nappies, then there
is some value to a washer drier, but otherwise separates are the way
to go. not least because any drier will always produce tons of damp
air as it dries., and where is that going to go???? :?
i think the best advice is to go for a cheap machine, and maybe for the
first three years take out a maintenance contract from one of the
independent contractors out there.
paul :wink:
blue on their own due to the major problems of trying to stop the
parts which should have no water in them getting wet.
i have an old indesit, and dry the stuff in the shower room.
in the summer it takes about 1-2 days in most cases for everything
from shirts to bedding and towels. in the spring and autumn it
takes longer whilst in winter the heating helps.
think if you check the washer driers, they use a bunch of power,
i understand that two machines would actually use less power than
the one on its own.
i guess if you have little kids and wash your own nappies, then there
is some value to a washer drier, but otherwise separates are the way
to go. not least because any drier will always produce tons of damp
air as it dries., and where is that going to go???? :?
i think the best advice is to go for a cheap machine, and maybe for the
first three years take out a maintenance contract from one of the
independent contractors out there.
paul :wink:
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