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Thanks Dave, I don't understand why it works but it certainly does so another technique to try. I use an Eclipse honing guide which I suppose must wear away a groove in the stone over time so worth learning this.
Regards Keith
 
Jacob":2hy3spx1 said:
The Eriba Turner":2hy3spx1 said:
Thanks Dave, I don't understand why it works but it certainly does so another technique to try. .......
Heres my take on it http://owdman.co.uk/howto/howto.htm with a few more links.
Another one here http://www.closegrain.com/2010/04/grimsdale-method.html

Everybody is at it!
Thanks Jacob, a good read and I like your bit of scrap timber to hold the plane iron. Sharpening practice tomorrow :D
Regards Keith
 
[Alert! boring description of Scary Sharp - ignore this if you sharpen in other ways!]

On Record crucible cast steel: I've got three irons of that now, and have a brilliant edge on them all.

My No7 is a 'bitsa': C19 Stanley body with rosewood handles, but a Record blade, chipbreaker and a Stanley cap iron. I bought it for the body, but when I got it home I found someone had completely stuffed the iron. In an attempt to re-grind it they'd ground it square with no bevel at all, then given up!!!

The first time I tried it to grind it, I was daft enough to play with the 'stone grader' on my Dakota wet grinder ("Tormekkalike"). It's a silly idea, and of course it doesn't actually work (your mileage, etc.). Like you, I got a burr and couldn't get an edge (it sort-of worked with later Stanley bog-standard irons).

Over the last couple of days, I've been through the set, sorting out any dodgy edges (currently 13 planes - slope, what slooooooo... ow!), and I had another go at the crucible cast irons. This time I did it properly and got wonderful results.

Here's how it works (consistently) for me:

0. polish the back to a mirror finish, using the scary-sharp papers (see below).

1. you really need a slow-speed or well-cooled grinder. Grind the basic 25degree bevel.

2. use "scary-sharp" to sharpen, with an Eclipse-type guides.
it's fast and easy to get good, consistent results:

3. Apply a Charlesworth micro-bevel. This is staggeringly useful, but mainly for bevel-down planes to increase the effective bevel angle. David uses a ruler, but I just use another plane iron:

When scary-sharp is done, put the iron you're sharpening flat side down (bevel up) on the 2500 grit. Prop the back end up on the side of another plane iron - just the thickness of it is enough to get the microbevel. Make a few small circular movements lightly on the paper, and you're done.

#3 will make a surprising difference to the crucible cast steel, mainly because it's old. Any rust pitting is quite hard to remove from the flat back without taking too much metal away, but the micro-bevel cuts back past it, giving you a sharp, well-defined chisel-like edge.

Not having a mirror-finish back will prevent you getting a really good edge, rectified to an extent by a micro-bevel. You only need to flatten once in the lifetime of the blade, as long as you keep it clean and rust-free.

Normally, when doing scary-sharp, I stick parallel strips of wet+dry to a piece of thick glass. When flattening, I start off several grades coarser than normal (160 or 180 grit for this), as it would quickly clog otherwise, and I use one strip at a time stuck along one edge of the glass plate. That way the plane iron is made easy to hold by putting that edge of the glass along the edge of the bench. Always use the paper wet, too.

Tip: use an old 50mm camera lens back-to-front as a very high-quality magnifying glass. When doing scary sharp, each step up the grits is done when there's a new, even set of 'grinding' marks, obliterating the coarser marks from the previous step. The change is easily seen. With practice you can feel when you have achieved this and you won't need to look.

The finest grit I use is 2500, but I believe you can get incredibly fine 3M stuff from Workshop Heaven for Samurai-grade sharpness.

. . .

How can you spot a left-handed, traditional woodworker?
Their right forearm is bald.

I wish I could sharpen freehand, but I don't have the muscle control any more (nerves are shot, annoyingly).
Scary sharp with an Eclipse guide is quick and effective for me, and I'd recommend it to anyone.

Hope some of that helps,

E.
 
Eric - nice description.
Note though, that if using DC's ruler trick there's no need to first polish the back of the iron.
I suffer from hand tremors (fortunately intermittent now) - check Larry Williams' sharpening vids for inspiration.
 
The Eriba Turner":3h3y5nqt said:
I use an Eclipse honing guide which I suppose must wear away a groove in the stone over time.

No, that's not a problem.

90% (or more) of the pressure should be on the edge that's being abraded (sharpened!) leaving minimal pressure on the roller, which is rolling, not rubbing in any case. So no stone wear.

BugBear
 
dunbarhamlin":1lt2hz0z said:
Eric - nice description.
Note though, that if using DC's ruler trick there's no need to first polish the back of the iron.
I suffer from hand tremors (fortunately intermittent now) - check Larry Williams' sharpening vids for inspiration.

Yes, mine are getting very slowly better (it's taken about 2 1/2 years so far). just in time for old age to get me!

Regarding back flattening: It all depends on how much back bevel you want, I think.

I want the tiniest amount, and to be able to remove it, for example if working easier woods (can go faster and need a lower angle). So I flatten to a shine, as it lets me see the steel and what's going to be the edge, and, as the final back camber is tiny, it helps me check with a lens that I've done it well, across the iron (and not just on one side).

I've a feeling I read somewhere that polished steel doesn't rust as fast as unpolished - something to do with the surface structure. I may be wrong though, and I certainly get spots of rust if I leave water standing on the iron. It's incidental though, and you still really have to do chisels, in any case.

E.
(the old crock)
 
Eric The Viking":vvyju7m7 said:
I've a feeling I read somewhere that polished steel doesn't rust as fast as unpolished - something to do with the surface structure.

Well, the polished surface will have less surface area.

BugBeaer
 
bugbear":1p1aqa3m said:
Eric The Viking":1p1aqa3m said:
I've a feeling I read somewhere that polished steel doesn't rust as fast as unpolished - something to do with the surface structure.

Well, the polished surface will have less surface area.

BugBeaer

With a rough surface BB - surely it is not so much rust as Mandel Rot! :mrgreen:

I'll get my coat off the wall! :oops:

Jim
 
DTR":2wi6blal said:
The Eriba Turner":2wi6blal said:
I've not come across rounded bevel sharpening Jacob which I presume is a convex rounded bevel not a concave bevel as it comes off the grinding wheel? How do you create a rounded bevel and is it sharp? I had a look on You Tube to see if they had a video of it being created but no luck.
Regards Keith

Yes it is a convex bevel. Paul Sellers explains / demonstrates it here:

http://paulsellers.com/2012/01/sharpeni ... ro-bevels/

It is just as sharp as using a secondary bevel and will probably take the same amount of time once you've got the hang of it. However I am not convinced by Seller's claims that it will hold its edge longer. If you hone freehand then the bevel will naturally be convex anyway, whether it's the whole bevel or a secondary bevel.
Had a go today at the Paul Sellers technique of freehand sharpening with a rounded bevel and it really works (hammer) . I used my cheap set of three diamond stones then polished on a strip of leather coated in polishing compound and the chisel and plane iron were very sharp. Paul Sellers slices a piece of paper in his video and I could do the same. When you look at the rounded bevel it doesn't look sharp but my finger blood proved otherwise :roll:

So I'm convinced and will use this quick method from now on. Thanks Dave and Jacob for all the guidance =D>
Regards Keith
 

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