Rededa vice enquiry

[Ming]

I have been looking for a nice vintage vice for my garage workshop for a while and this one popped up locally for £20.
a little research indicates it might be a Rededa No 2 but someone who knows about patent no’s has indicated that the patent for the quick release mechanism is by Underwood and Carpenter circa 1930. I can’t find anything similar.
I love it, especially the over engineering, and intend to fit and use it but I am an information junkie and would love to know anything about it

 

[rob1693]

They were manufactured in Sheffield by Charles Neil and co

 

[Ming]

Thank you
Is it odd that mine has no name on the front plate.
I only got to Rededa via the patent number
Still not seen one with a lock release mechanism like this one

 

[dannyr]

I have been looking for a nice vintage vice for my garage workshop for a while and this one popped up locally for £20.
a little research indicates it might be a Rededa No 2 but someone who knows about patent no’s has indicated that the patent for the quick release mechanism is by Underwood and Carpenter circa 1930. I can’t find anything similar.
I love it, especially the over engineering, and intend to fit and use it but I am an information junkie and would love to know anything about it

This is a very interesting vice (if you're interested in quick release woodworking vices, which I am) - there were two patents for QR WW vices using a rack, similar to this but not the same, in the Bradford area in the 1870s.

[It has the look of the Rededa, I think they started using that brand name around 1930s and has th obvious original red colour - why no cast in name?]

Otherwise most UK vice makers went with the same QR as Record and Woden -- invented by Parkinson, also Bradford, in the 1880s - Rededa also used this for their named QR WW vices except for the smallest 7in, which used a different and simplified QR of their patent. . Woden also patented some variants between about 1930 and 60, none of which were on the market for long -- all UK makers seemed to revert to the Parkinson-style buttress thread QR.

There is a very nice thread on smallworkshop.co.uk on the history of UK QR WW vises/vices -- yours isn't in it, but should be.

Nice find.

 

[Ming]

DannyR
Thank you for the reply
I think I just got lucky.
As soon as I picked it up I guessed it was not run of the mill. I have had and used many QR vices with a bar or similar on the front they allows the front plate to disengage and move
Though I have yet to try it apparently when properly fixed all you do is lift the handle and pull and it moves.
if it any good it’s ingenious if over engineered
When I have a little more time I will fully read the link you sent
I cannot find a single picture on the internet of a release system like the one on my vice
I guess it was £20 well spent

 

[Winezzzs]

Thats a nice little vice, I was lookibg at pictures and thinking hows it quick release, lift a simple idea

 

[Ming]

A quick update
All fitted
Took me an age to work out hue it works.
tou wind it fully in the direction you want it to go then if it’s out you just pull. If it is in you lift slightly and push. It really is as simple as that.
teated it several times snd it works like a dream. Not bad for almost 90 years old.
Best £20 I have spent in an age.

 

[rob1693]

The qr mechanism in yours was invented by Wilson Riley in 1877 it was patented by Entwistle and Kenyon and licensed to massey who made them in the usa

 

[dannyr]

The qr mechanism in yours was invented by Wilson Riley in 1877 it was patented by Entwistle and Kenyon and licensed to massey who made them in the usa

I think it's very similar but not the same.

There were two patents in 1877 which resulted in the vices sold under the J Syer and the Entwistle and Kenyon (Massey USA) names - both used racks and a short thread section, but had different actuation, this (and another in the 1930s by Woden) look to be based on that, but with different mechs.