Queen Elizabeth has passed away.

[Spectric]

You can talk, I seem to remember from history lessons that the french invented the guilotine to deal with there monarchy in 1790 something. You seem to have done alright without them ever since, apart from us having to rescue you from the Germans later on.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Yes she does irritate a certain type of elderly white male!
She's a very competent and intelligent journalist in fact.

I assume by the unnecessary "white" you imply colour prejudice. You should know better than make unfounded assumptions.

 

[PhilipL]

How far from the truth tales can wonder, it started in 1694, and has been modified and enhanced ever since. In 1794 a number of taxes were clumped together, as moneys needed to be raised to fund a war against a despot….Napolian! So, taxes were paid to the crown, to defend the people and country. So, basically if you apply taxes the to monarchy your asking them to pay for their own services is a nutshell. We the people transferred the power, the taxes and the responsibility to the elected Government, but the crown is still the leader of all the armed forces. Ie they lead us into battle.
Very simplified.

Simplified and total rubbish, I think. Taxation moved on some time ago from being a means of supporting the country's wars. It used to be in part distributive so we didn't have the poverty we now have.

 

[deema]

Simplified and total rubbish, I think. Taxation moved on some time ago from being a means of supporting the country's wars. It used to be in part distributive so we didn't have the poverty we now have.

What you think, and what is fact is a gulf. Google to clarify your thoughts.

 

[TRITON]

You can talk, I seem to remember from history lessons that the french invented the guillotine to deal with there monarchy in 1790 something. You seem to have done alright without them ever since, apart from us having to rescue you from the Germans later on.

Er....
I think you'll find it was the Americans who came to the rescue of the British. and then the French. Britain helped a bit but without American support the Normandy landings on D-Day would not have happened.

Clearly you weren't listening during those lessons.

 

[deema]

I love facts, there were 160,000 troops who landed on the beaches on D Day, 73,000 Americans and 83115 British and Canadian.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/06/fact-sheet-normandy-landings
Three days after Pearl harbour, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA. America didn’t rescue the British, they joined forces against a common enemy, two years after the British had been at war.

 

[TRITON]

I love facts, there were 160,000 troops who landed on the beaches on D Day, 73,000 Americans and 83115 British and Canadian.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/06/fact-sheet-normandy-landings
Three days after Pearl harbour, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA. America didn’t rescue the British, they joined forces against a common enemy, two years after the British had been at war.

Nonsense. WE WERE ON OUR KNEES, running out of food thanks to German U boats sinking supply ships. It was the beginning of the end and we promised America a lot for them to come into the war.
What do you think the whole 'special relationship' is all about ?.
We will support the US whatever and wherever till the end of time.

 

[MARK.B.]

A quick google search shows

Why Did the USA Enter World War II?​

By Staff WriterLast Updated April 06, 2020










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The USA entered World War II in response to the Japanese bombing of the American naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Prior to the attack, the country had maintained an isolationist policy, although government leaders considered involvement inevitable and had been providing the Allies with arms and other supplies. The US had long-standing friendly relations with Britain and the Japanese assault tipped the country against the Axis powers.

Until 1941, the US kept out of the war. In general, Americans considered it a European affair and preferred to follow the traditional American policy of isolationism. However, the country was sympathetic to the Allied cause. The US had fought against Germany during WWI. Communists, leftists and Jews who heard about the oppression occurring in Germany pressed and lobbied the government to intervene. Many people believed that the totalitarian tendencies of European fascism would eventually threaten the US. In addition, the US shared a common heritage and friendly relations with Britain, whose very existence was threatened by the Germans.
For these reasons, the US sided with the Allies from the beginning and furnished them with much needed war supplies. The Roosevelt administration anticipated involvement and prepared the nation’s arms manufacturing. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, it was the final component necessary to remove any doubt about going to war.

 

[Dovetail]

You all can sure twist and turn a gently opened thread into such massive off topics. But since this is off topic, I have not stepped in.
And at least one mod seems to appear with some, and then one is busy elsewhere for a few days. So, you're lucky.

 

[Adam W.]

You all can sure twist and turn a gently opened thread into such massive off topics. But since this is off topic, I have not stepped in.
And at least one mod seems to appear with some, and then one is busy elsewhere for a few days. So, you're lucky.

That must mean it's time for some Kylie time.




There, that's better.

 

[AJB Temple]

Interesting that since I last looked the thread has embraced WWII and Pearl Harbour.

Can't see what is wrong with Phil suggesting that the freedom of information act should extend to the monarchy. It seems entirely logical that the royal set up, largely public funded and favoured servants of the people, should be subject to public scrutiny. Funding of charles' buffoon brother andrew might be an eye opener.

It will be interesting to see if charles follows through with his reported desire to slim down the monarchy, get rid of all the grace and favour hangers on, and hand back some of the property excesses.

 

[Jacob]

I....

It will be interesting to see if charles follows through with his reported desire to slim down the monarchy, get rid of all the grace and favour hangers on, and hand back some of the property excesses.

They won't allow that it sounds a bit too socialistic and would set a very bad example to the lower clarses! The Daily Mail, Express, Times and Telegraph will get Charley into good shape, no worries. He won't know what's hit him.

 

[AJB Temple]

The Guardian is reporting this morning on a super tactful move to make a lot of charles's staff redundant. King Charles’s staff given redundancy notice during church service for Queen

 

[Scarlet Lancer]

And if he hadn’t then everyone would have been moaning about him “hiding away at Windsor” like they did when his mother stayed at Balmoral to look after her grieving grandchildren rather than feeding the national schmaltzfest

I think you need to study exactly what they do for the Nation by way of world trade and the GDP. i doubt you would be happy for someone to comment the same way about you during your mourning a parent. I have never been happy about Charles and Camilla with their attitude. However I believe that they should be given a chance to prove their selves.

 

[Jacob]

I assume by the unnecessary "white" you imply colour prejudice. You should know better than make unfounded assumptions.

Maybe you should know better than to use racist tropes. Black women journalists and public figures, especially if outspoken and a bit lefty, get astonishing amounts of abuse especially from elderly white males.
Are there any white male journalists who you also find abhorrent?

 

[Marc Shaw]

Maybe you should know better than to use racist tropes. Black women journalists and public figures, especially if outspoken and a bit lefty, get astonishing amounts of abuse especially from elderly white males.

Very true sadly.

 

[Jacob]

I think you need to study exactly what they do for the Nation by way of world trade and the GDP. ...

It's be interesting to have some figures. It does sound like wishful thinking though, on the part of the royalist fraternity.

 

[John In Ireland]

Am I on the wrong forum? ... I've not heard wood mentioned for ages????

 

[Spectric]

There is another aspect of the monarchy that seems to have not been raised, like any pandemic it had to have started somewhere. If you look at a horse you know it is a horse, if you look at a dog you know it is a dog but the only reason you know the king is the king is because someone has made that decision to call them king, they are in reality just another person who functions like you or I so why. I think it started because in the early days the so called king would make ridiculous claims that he was essentially representing god and that it was god who wants him as king, his people were not that bright and believed him and the whole circus grew from there as a form of getting above the masses for a better life at the expense of others and it just grew arms and legs, no one really ever questioned anything because they valued their head and we now have something that we don't really know what to do with because it has been there for so long.

 

[Spectric]

Am I on the wrong forum? ... I've not heard wood mentioned for ages?

The kings used to have peoples heads removed on a wooden block in the tower!