Putin is a loser

[Blackswanwood]

Wow - big desperate move.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...fierce-inflation/ar-AA1uVCSk?ocid=socialshare

Default on foreign debt looming.

I suspect that China will see this as an opportunity to increase their influence by bailing them out.

 

[Jake]

I suspect that China will see this as an opportunity to increase their influence by bailing them out.

Maybe. Maybe Xi doesn't care all that much. Reportedly some alarm there about Russia and Norks getting cosy, and a huge part of Russia was previously China (long memories and all that). Interesting to see how they react.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Who said anything about ,"worthy action"?

I'm saying that Putin is walking a tightrope cosying up to Iran given, as I'm sure you know, that (Shia) Iran and (Sunni) Saudi Arabia are sworn enemies, and the Saudis could pull the plug on oil prices any time they like.

The principle concern of Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia.

Why would they choose to reduce the price of oil by flooding the market. They have spent decades engineering alliances and structures to optimise the price of oil. They are not threatened in any way by the war in Ukraine - reducing the price of oil could even up the threat from Iran.

Russia still have huge amounts of foreign currency reserves - most informed commentators see little prospect to an end to hostilities in Ukraine because Russia can't afford it. Saudi could depress the price of oil on world markets - but I wouldn't bet on it!!

 

[Jake]

Russia still have huge amounts of foreign currency reserves

Not really, half of it is frozen (by sanctions-related measures) and they have dropped a ton of the rest trying to support their currency. They wouldn't be panicking into imposing capital controls if they felt their foreign currency reserves were healthy, they'd just carry on propping up the currency like they have for the last few years.

 

[selectortone]

The principle concern of Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia

Followed by an abiding hatred of the Shia renegade Iran. It's a centuries-old sectarian rivalry over the true interpretation of Islam.

 

[RobinBHM]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-oil-europe-india-ukraine-war-b2477443.html

That was from last January - perhaps you have more up to date info re Russian oil being sold to Europe via India, with a healthy markup.

You mean Russia is selling crude oil and LNG at a discount yo India.

India buys crude oil and LNG from Qatar, Saudi, Iraq not just Russia

The fact is EU is weaning itself of Russian energy.

 

[Trainee neophyte]

The fact is EU is weaning itself of Russian energy.

And how is that working out for Germany?

From the Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/5d98bcab-c8bc-49c8-83a0-88522194f64d

"German industry is unlikely to recover to pre-Ukraine war levels as elevated prices from imported liquefied natural gas have put Europe’s largest economy at a “disadvantage”, the chief of one of Germany’s leading energy companies has warned.“Gas prices in continental Europe, especially in Germany, are structurally higher now, because we, in the end, depend on LNG imports,” said Markus Krebber, chief executive of RWE. “The German industry has a disadvantage.”"


Without Germany’s vast export economy, how does the Euro survive? How does Europe survive without the Euro? Will a European Army (the latest power grab by the EU aparatchiks) get paid for? We live in interesting times.

More up to date story: https://www.politico.eu/article/ger...horsten-groger-ig-metall-labor-union-profits/

It looks like Germany will transition to a post-industrial, service economy, just like all the other main Western economies, built on house prices, debt and financial sleight of hand. Vorsprung durch Technk, as they say in Germany.

(About that list of yours...)

 

[RobinBHM]

And how is that working out for Germany?

it is going to be painful, Germany shouldnt have been so stupid as to be taken in

but what has that got to do with Russian economy?

(About that list of yours...)

yes I provided a list of commonly used Putin propaganda people like you post on SM.

why do you do it?

are you brainwashed or just a trouble making troll?

 

[Trainee neophyte]

it is going to be painful, Germany shouldnt have been so stupid as to be taken in

but what has that got to do with Russian economy?


yes I provided a list of commonly used Putin propaganda people like you post on SM.

why do you do it?

are you brainwashed or just a trouble making troll?

Or could it be that you are brainwashed? Seriously. Up is down and left is right in our Orwellian newspeak system. Your list contains things that, as far as I understand them, are perfectly valid, true statements, and yet you say that they have all been proven to be false. One of us is detached from reality, and I am entirely comfortable with the idea that I do not know everything. Therefore, could you show me where I am going wrong please?

For example, Victoria Newland is on record confirming that the US spent $5 billion spreading largesse around the Ukraine in the run up to the 2013 chaos. That's a lot of bribes- you could make 1,000 new millionaires, for example,e. She is also on record, through the infamous "fcuk the EU" phonecall, deciding who among the various corrupt plutocrats available to the State Department, would be best suited to run the place after the coup that never happened. But you say no US government involvement (or did you mean specifically no CIA involvement, as a mealy-mouted get-out-of-jail-free, clever hide the truth in the truth statement?) Who to believe - the US assistant secretary of state, the US ambassador to the Ukraine, or your good self? I am in a quandary, so any assistance you can provide would be appreciated.

 

[Jake]

You sound exactly like you would if in fact you had IRA notes to hand.

 

[woodieallen]

Or could it be that you are brainwashed? Seriously. Up is down and left is right in our Orwellian newspeak system. Your list contains things that, as far as I understand them, are perfectly valid, true statements, and yet you say that they have all been proven to be false. One of us is detached from reality, and I am entirely comfortable with the idea that I do not know everything. Therefore, could you show me where I am going wrong please?

For example, Victoria Newland is on record confirming that the US spent $5 billion spreading largesse around the Ukraine in the run up to the 2013 chaos. That's a lot of bribes- you could make 1,000 new millionaires, for example,e. She is also on record, through the infamous "fcuk the EU" phonecall, deciding who among the various corrupt plutocrats available to the State Department, would be best suited to run the place after the coup that never happened. But you say no US government involvement (or did you mean specifically no CIA involvement, as a mealy-mouted get-out-of-jail-free, clever hide the truth in the truth statement?) Who to believe - the US assistant secretary of state, the US ambassador to the Ukraine, or your good self? I am in a quandary, so any assistance you can provide would be appreciated.

I think your account has been taken over by an AI. You've not posted for a long, long time and as we have had previous discussions before on other forums, it does not sound like you. So...a question that the AI won't know....what is your main source of income ?

 

[Jake]

Putin is a loser in Syria today. Things are collapsing for him.

 

[selectortone]

Putin is a loser in Syria today. Things are collapsing for him.

Putin's main reason for being in Syria is to prevent the construction of the proposed pipeline from the South Pars/North Dome gas field in the Persian Gulf to Southern Europe. South Pars/North Dome is by far the largest gas field in the world, holding almost as much recoverable reserves as all the world's other fields combined. Currently it is liquified and exported in tankers. A pipeline to Europe would reduce prices and seriously jeopardise Uncle Vlad's gas exports there.

 

[Jake]

Putin's main reason for being in Syria is to prevent the construction of the proposed pipeline from the South Pars/North Dome gas field in the Persian Gulf to Southern Europe. South Pars/North Dome is by far the largest gas field in the world, holding almost as much recoverable reserves as all the world's other fields combined. Currently it is liquified and exported in tankers. A pipeline to Europe would reduce prices and seriously jeopardise Uncle Vlad's gas exports there.

Well, that and Tartus. (North African front and all that).

 

[Trainee neophyte]

I think your account has been taken over by an AI. You've not posted for a long, long time and as we have had previous discussions before on other forums, it does not sound like you. So...a question that the AI won't know....what is your main source of income ?

I'm a farmer, so obviously not from food production. That would be silly.

I see you are still flying the flag of an ethnic cleansing, racist, genocidal regime, and you want me to post my annual accounts to to prove I'm me? No, thanks. The reason I stopped posting here is, fundamentally, people like you embracing what appears to be a genocidal, psychopathic regime installed by the West purely because it was what they had to work with, to stick it to Russia. Expediency over morality every time. I didn't know what to say to someone who supports genocide, so I stopped posting. I still don't know what to say, or how, but I've had a couple of years to get my head around the fact that it's not your fault - you just don't know any better.

And now, here we are on the cusp of nuclear war which I certainly didn't vote for, and still the empire apologists keep pushing their mantra of "Russia bad", while attacking Russia from every angle. You want this war to stop and no more Ukranians to die? Stop threatening Russia with nuclear weapons from Poland and Romania, and stop trying to install them in the Ukraine. It's so simple. It's all they have ever asked for. It is why this war is happening. The West crossed a red line, fully intentionally, and this was the result. This is our war, caused by us, for our reasons. We did this. Embrace your ownership of all the death and destruction. But then, by flying the Ukranian flag, you do.

I, on the other hand, am trying not to. As I have said before, "I didn't vote for this".

 

[woodieallen]

I'm a farmer, so obviously not from food production. That would be silly.

I see you are still flying the flag of an ethnic cleansing, racist, genocidal regime, and you want me to post my annual accounts to to prove I'm me? No, thanks. The reason I stopped posting here is, fundamentally, people like you embracing what appears to be a genocidal, psychopathic regime installed by the West purely because it was what they had to work with, to stick it to Russia. Expediency over morality every time. I didn't know what to say to someone who supports genocide, so I stopped posting. I still don't know what to say, or how, but I've had a couple of years to get my head around the fact that it's not your fault - you just don't know any better.

And now, here we are on the cusp of nuclear war which I certainly didn't vote for, and still the empire apologists keep pushing their mantra of "Russia bad", while attacking Russia from every angle. You want this war to stop and no more Ukranians to die? Stop threatening Russia with nuclear weapons from Poland and Romania, and stop trying to install them in the Ukraine. It's so simple. It's all they have ever asked for. It is why this war is happening. The West crossed a red line, fully intentionally, and this was the result. This is our war, caused by us, for our reasons. We did this. Embrace your ownership of all the death and destruction. But then, by flying the Ukranian flag, you do.

I, on the other hand, am trying not to. As I have said before, "I didn't vote for this".

Another one for the Ignore list. You have no morals.

 

[RobinBHM]

For example, Victoria Newland is on record confirming that the US spent $5 billion spreading largesse around the Ukraine in the run up to the 2013 chaos. That's a lot of bribes- you could make 1,000 new millionaires, for example,e. She is also on record, through the infamous "fcuk the EU" phonecall, deciding who among the various corrupt plutocrats available to the State Department, would be best suited to run the place after the coup that never happened

So so predictable……you trot out the inevitable Victoria Nuland conspiracy theories built from out of context phrases

I’ve heard this s***t endless times from Putin apologists, it’s getting boring.

Please could you avoid infesting this forum with this nonsense.

If you want to believe Putin propaganda, please keep it to yourself

 

[Blister]

Jake , If you get a strange letter arrive on your door mat , proceed with EXTREME CAUTION.