President Elect's 'top team'

[Blackswanwood]

Of course it has. But what has happened to offset those costs? If my business was incurring increased costs, then I would do something to maintain my bottom line.

There may be other benefits to UK society of Brexit (although I’ve not spotted them) but most successful businesses were already doing everything they could to have the most efficient processes prior to Brexit. Your argument is hollow.

Ps I’m only commenting as I happen to be online and am not part of an imaginary ambush party!

 

[Chris152]

you people

eh?
It was you that made an assertion, it's up to you to support it.

 

[RobinBHM]

Of course it has. But what has happened to offset those costs? If my business was incurring increased costs, then I would do something to maintain my bottom line.

Businesses have done things to offset those costs.

Many have moved their operation so they are inside the Single Market.

There has been a steady stream of businesses that have moved to Holland, France, Germany etc etc

 

[Chris152]

More cronies appointed to top jobs.

'As well as his 2023 memoir, [Patel] has published two pro-Trump children’s books.
One of the titles, The Plot Against the King, features a villain, Hillary Queenton, trying to depose King Donald, who is aided by a wizard called Kash the Distinguished Discoverer.
Another villain is called Keeper Komey - a thinly-veiled reference to former FBI Director James Comey - and his “spying slugs”, according to the book’s blurb.'
He'll be the next FBI Director.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30p5qlj970o

 

[Delaney]

I know. I mean, us terrible people making posts with all that factual evidence and rational logic. How very dare we.

Yes factual evidence like Trump wearing nappies.

Any other gems you might want to add?
You guys don’t realise it but facts are not your feelings manifested into words
Listening to James O’Brien doesn't mean you’re now in command of the truth.
Saying something online, doesn’t mKe it true.

 

[Delaney]

Yep. They seem to see the gleaning of facts and information as somehow cheating, like having cards up your sleeve. Wikipedia makes them really edgy!

I literally showed you a study that discovered immigratikn from outside the EU had cost us £95 billion between 1999 and 2012 and you said it wasn’t true.
That study was even done by the BBC based on government figures.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it came over on a dingy and lived in a 4 star hotel.

 

[Jacob]

...
Listening to James O’Brien doesn't mean you’re now in command of the truth.

Reading/listening to the poisoned dwarf media (Telegraph, D Mail, GB News etc etc etc) means you are being fed lies and crackpot conspiracy theories, joining the unwoke and the angry brigade.

 

[Jacob]

I literally showed you a study that discovered immigratikn from outside the EU had cost us £95 billion between 1999 and 2012 and you said it wasn’t true.
That study was even done by the BBC based on government figures.
.....

Happy to have a second look - can you reference that? I could only find some distorted borlocks from the Telegraph.

 

[Noel]

Interesting that you wait two days to follow up on this and then initiate a pile on. Almost as if it was coordinated. I'd stepped away from this thread as it was becoming tiresome. I'm starting to think @ey_tony might be right about you all.

Now you are being paranoid……
You made a statement that you cannot back up or even explain and now the world is against you, Big Forum, eh?
There are and were no measures for small businesses to compensate for hours of extra and often complex documentation if that business was able to continue exporting/importing , so may others simply had to shut up shop because they hadn’t the resources or staff.
How many times have I seen people say “it’s only a bit of extra paperwork, no big deal” as if an extra 10 minutes was all that was needed to satisfy the import/export nightmare that Brexit brought upon so many businesses.

 

[Delaney]

Are you really suggesting that Trump is like Hitler?....I'm really disappointed in you, I thought you better than that but sadly it appears not!

Really?

I’ve only been here a few months (effectively) and it took me about a week to notice a big cabal of left wing trolls, lurking im the ‘off topic’ threads.
I’m not entirely sure, how so many James O’Briens ended up in one place.
I’m assuming it’s because they’re all over 60?
Or woodworking attracts ex labour union types?
Likely both.

Chris152
Sploo
Robin
Jacob
Chris Brown
Silvertone
Hypnotic

All seem to have the exact same left wing opinion. You could at any point tell what their position is on something without having to ask them.

Brexit = bad
Trump = bad
Reform = bad
Russia = bad
Tariffs = bad

Mass immigration = good
The EU = good
Ukraine war = good
Hate speech laws = good
Socialism = good
Social justice = good

And these are not ideas that can be debated. These are religious positions. There is no room for nuance or debate, even though they claim to be having one. There is no evidence or data that will change their mind.

You can tell that these people never left TV land. Every talking point they have is lifted directly from C4 news, the BBC, ITV. It’s all establishment talking points.
They then trot on here bleating the same talking points line by line.

 

[ey_tony]

Interesting that you wait two days to follow up on this and then initiate a pile on. Almost as if it was coordinated. I'd stepped away from this thread as it was becoming tiresome. I'm starting to think @ey_tony might be right about you all.

It's quite entertaining really.
The fringe element as I like to call them, spend the whole thread slagging off Trump and his selection of government officials based on their own supposed moral compass and clearly virtuous lifestyle yet because I mention in response to a sarcastic comment about burger vans and kebab shops that I have a friend called Mo who happens to actually own kebab shops, then that is picked up on by the hard of thinking and turned into virtue signalling.

I've never quite trusted anyone who is overtly forthcoming with their virtue signalling when it comes to criticising others.

Of course it's coordinated...that's their MO whenever anyone dares to challenge their myopic view of the world.
I don't claim to always be correct, I leave that to the lefties to make those claims but what I do try to do is add in an alternative perspective rather than one which is entirely blinkered.

 

[mudman]

Now you are being paranoid……
You made a statement that you cannot back up or even explain and now the world is against you, Big Forum, eh?
There are and were no measures for small businesses to compensate for hours of extra and often complex documentation if that business was able to continue exporting/importing , so may others simply had to shut up shop because they hadn’t the resources or staff.
How many times have I seen people say “it’s only a bit of extra paperwork, no big deal” as if an extra 10 minutes was all that was needed to satisfy the import/export nightmare that Brexit brought upon so many businesses.

I might be paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

It's difficult to respond to this without being rude but I'll try.
The only assertion that I made was that all these facts and figures that the ideologies here are posting are not a complete picture and that you need to do a full analysis of all actions and effects to be able to make the statements that have been made. It was said that Britain had underperformed when compared to the G7, this is true, it's a fact, the days supports it. Then people look at timelines and say it must be because of Brexit. Now that is a possibility but the evidence being put forward as incontrovertible truth is incomplete. Yes, businesses have incurred extra costs due to Brexit but is that the reason for the UK's poor performance? Possibly, but until all the data, including the missing data that has not been included is considered, then any conclusions drawn are just opinions based on ideology and cherry picking of data to match the biases of the idealogues. Yes we had Brexit and it is a strong contender for being the reason for falling behind the G7 but a lot of other things have happened. There was COVID, massive immigration, large swathes of the workforce leaving employment. What has the effect been of these? Are there any other currently unrecognised factors not yet understood?
My only assertion is that we don't have all the facts, and until we do, then all assertions are just opinions and can quite possibly be wrong.

 

[John Brown]

It's quite entertaining really.
The fringe element as I like to call them, spend the whole thread slagging off Trump and his selection of government officials based on their own supposed moral compass and clearly virtuous lifestyle yet because I mention in response to a sarcastic comment about burger vans and kebab shops that I have a friend called Mo who happens to actually own kebab shops, then that is picked up on by the hard of thinking and turned into virtue signalling.

I've never quite trusted anyone who is overtly forthcoming with their virtue signalling when it comes to criticising others.

Of course it's coordinated...that's their MO whenever anyone dares to challenge their myopic view of the world.
I don't claim to always be correct, I leave that to the lefties to make those claims but what I do try to do is add in an alternative perspective rather than one which is entirely blinkered.

Keep digging.

 

[Chris152]

a big cabal of left wing trolls, lurking im the ‘off topic’ threads.

Have you had a look at the history of your contributions, Delaney?

And as for the Trump/ Hitler thing, it's not my fault if people are too thick to understand what's being written.

 

[Delaney]

Depending upon one's perspective be it the aggressor or victim , one can always look back and say if only we/they hadn't voted for so and so then this or that might not have happened but to associate Trump or his supporters with Hitler and his Nazi party is simply ludicrous extremism by left wingers in its lowest knuckle dragging form intended to vilify people with a different opinion of the man to theirs.
I already see lots of people who will be adversely affected by Starmer and his troupe who have made either false promises or concealed their true intentions from the electorate in order to get elected which I find it is my duty to point out but should Starmer et al and those who were fooled by him be held up to be the equivalent of Nazis?
As much as I dislike the man I wouldn't equate him with such as Hitler, I simply don't have that irrational mindset!

I often hear people who aren't left wing denigrate Trump but I've never heard one of them other than politicians refer or liken him to Hitler et al. Personally I don't particularly like Trump or admire some of his traits and I won't be living under his administration but he's no Hitler and anyone who thinks so arguably has serious mental health issues.

I've always held the view that when left wingers are struggling to win an argument they inevitably attack their opponent personally and resort to Godwin's Law rather than debate the issues rationally and this is a prime example of attacking anyone who fails to subscribe to their extremist left wing bigotry.

Apparently I’m a Trump supporter (says Robin) but I actually think Trump is deeply flawed. He’s a narcissist and potentially dangerous but I’de vote for him over Kamalla Harriss.

I’ve seen what liberals do to liberal cities. They have no off switch. There is not a level of degeneracy a liberal will not stoop to.
Just look what they’re doing to Europe.

That is the difference between right wingers and lefties on this platform. We can hold complex views that are dynamic and changing. That are not as simple as 1 + 1 = 2.
But the lefties cannot except that.

If Trump says something, it’s therefore bad by default. Trump is a ‘no go’ entity and therefore nothing he does or says, can ever be treated intellectually.
Ukraine is a no go entity. The fact Ukraine has made it illegal for men to leave and they have no rights, that they must go and fight and likely die, even if they don’t want to, which actually makes them no more
than slaves (in fact worse than slaves), is not bad because ‘Ukraine war good’.
But the people speaking out against this are the bad ones. Imagine supporting slavery to win an argument.

 

[ey_tony]

Really?

I’ve only been here a few months (effectively) and it took me about a week, to see there is a big cabal of left wing trolls, patrolling the ‘off topic’ threads.
It’s a massively clear bias and I’m not entirely sure, how so many James O’Briens ended yo in one place.
I’m assuming it’s because they’re all over 60?
Or woodworking attracts ex labour union types?
Likely both.

Chris152
Sploo
Robin
Jacob
Chris Brown
Silvertone
Hypnotic

All seem to have the exact same left wing opinion. You could at any point tell what their position is on something without having to ask them.

Brexit = bad
Trump = bad
Reform = bad
Russia = bad
Tariffs = bad

Mass immigration = good
The EU = good
Ukraine war = good
Hate speech laws = good
Socialism = good
Social justice = good

And these are not ideas that can be debated. These are religious positions. There is. O room for nuance or debate, even though they claim to be having one. There is no evidence or data that will change their mind.

Just about all off-topic forums I have ever visited have had their left wing 'activists' or fully paid up party members and this one is no exception.
It's actually a great way for site owners to get advertising click-throughs as political threads like them or not do generate traffic and as referred to earlier they are the perfect setting for the left and their 'ambush' MO.
It's almost as if you'd read my mind with the points in your post!

I have worked for myself my whole life so never had the luxury of being a clan (union) member as I was too busy earning my living that I was providing for myself using my own brain and financial investment rather than working for someone else who'd done all the hard work so that they could have a job, therefore I was never indoctrinated by left wing ideology that seems to fit so many PAYE workers.

I know one thing if nothing else and that is if the government passed a law stating that everyone including public sector workers were all self-employed from tomorrow, there would be an awful lot of left wingers starving or dead within 12 months. Either that or they had dropped their left wing mantra.

 

[Chris152]

Sorry all, this thread has really descended into utter garbage, nothing to do with the topic, just childish, playground politics.

 

[Delaney]

Just about all off-topic forums I have ever visited have had their left wing 'activists' or fully paid up party members and this one is no exception.
It's actually a great way for site owners to get advertising click-throughs as political threads like them or not do generate traffic and as referred to earlier they are the perfect setting for the left and their 'ambush' MO.
It's almost as if you'd read my mind with the points in your post!

I have worked for myself my whole life so never had the luxury of being a clan (union) member as I was too busy earning my living that I was providing for myself using my own brain and financial investment rather than working for someone else who'd done all the hard work so that they could have a job, therefore I was never indoctrinated by left wing ideology that seems to fit so many PAYE workers.

I know one thing if nothing else and that is if the government passed a law stating that everyone including public sector workers were all self-employed from tomorrow, there would be an awful lot of left wingers starving or dead within 12 months. Either that or they had dropped their left wing mantra.

If you, me and mudman left this section of the forum, there would be no push back to these autonatrons.

Keep pushing back. Your posts are spot on, entertaining and well written..

 

[JSW]

Well, entertaining anyway, more popcorn anyone??

 

[John Brown]

Just about all off-topic forums I have ever visited have had their left wing 'activists' or fully paid up party members and this one is no exception.
It's actually a great way for site owners to get advertising click-throughs as political threads like them or not do generate traffic and as referred to earlier they are the perfect setting for the left and their 'ambush' MO.
It's almost as if you'd read my mind with the points in your post!

I have worked for myself my whole life so never had the luxury of being a clan (union) member as I was too busy earning my living that I was providing for myself using my own brain and financial investment rather than working for someone else who'd done all the hard work so that they could have a job, therefore I was never indoctrinated by left wing ideology that seems to fit so many PAYE workers.

I know one thing if nothing else and that is if the government passed a law stating that everyone including public sector workers were all self-employed from tomorrow, there would be an awful lot of left wingers starving or dead within 12 months. Either that or they had dropped their left wing mantra.

I, also, worked for myself from the age of 30. I was on PAYE, however, as I believe many company directors are. I'm no expert, I used to let my accountant work it out. I was too busy using my brain.
I have also never belonged to a union.
Honestly! We could be twins!